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I wonder why multiple people read his comment as pro Pinkertons (pro AMZN etc.) I read it as "Yep and Amazon are not the only large company that use them, so w

I wonder why multiple people read his comment as pro Pinkertons (pro AMZN etc.) I read it as "Yep and Amazon are not the only large company that use them, so watch out! If Facebook employees ever want to unionize, Pinkertons might/will be sent after them too".

colejohnson66 6y ago
People read what they want to hear. I’ve posted comments that make it clear I support stuff, but because I (essentially) argued devil’s advocate, I was downvoted. I can only assume it’s because I’m supposedly showing sympathy to the other side (even if I’m not).
- noxer 6y ago
  The HN bubble is real and as biased as any other internet community.
- Shish2k 6y ago
  To somebody who believes in a black and white “with us or against us” world, “sympathy" and “support” are the same thing :(
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- doggodaddo78 6y ago
  Ugh. Yes, that sucks. Benefit of the doubt, patience/curiosity to understand, and fair view are rare as supermodels with PhD's flying jet aircraft these days. Up/down vote I think is too ambiguous: there ought to be an agree/disagree metric and a relevant-interesting/irrelevant-uninteresting one too. Maybe even get rid of displayed karma and simply vote on multiple properties (insightful, agreed, brave, well-reasoned, informative, primary source anecdote)
kd0amg 6y ago
> I wonder why multiple people read his comment as pro Pinkertons (pro AMZN etc.) Because "this is common practice" is often used as an argument that "this is reasonable."
- secfirstmd 6y ago
  The comment was made to highlight that Pinkerton are working with Facebook (amongst others) thus Facebook may also be concerned about union organising. So watch out if you are trying. Esp with Pinkertons past record.
  - doggodaddo78 6y ago
    Yes, exactly. Interestingly: McDonald's has their own internal surveillance apparatus that functions much like their own Pinkerton's.
Supermancho 6y ago
> Pinkerton are the corporate security company of choice for a lot of organisations...including Facebook > I wonder why multiple people read his comment as pro Pinkertons It was stated as a whataboutism, which is a defensive tactic. If the point was to indicate that the Pinkertons are not unusual, then that would be the subject. Instead, it reads as "this is not unusual", which is incorrect, regardless of intent.
- secfirstmd 6y ago
  Author of comment here. No it wasn't stated as whataboutism. It was stated with the intent to highlight that Facebook uses Pinkerton so perhaps Facebook also has very deep concerns about union organising also. Especially as Pinkerton is historically well known for this sort of counter activity.
doggodaddo78 6y ago
No, not pro-Pinkerton; not appreciating the historical infamy of the Pinkerton's. They are like lobbyists - true scum: tools of the rich harming people for money.

colejohnson66 6y ago

People read what they want to hear. I’ve posted comments that make it clear I support stuff, but because I (essentially) argued devil’s advocate, I was downvoted. I can only assume it’s because I’m supposedly showing sympathy to the other side (even if I’m not).

noxer 6y ago
The HN bubble is real and as biased as any other internet community.
Shish2k 6y ago
To somebody who believes in a black and white “with us or against us” world, “sympathy" and “support” are the same thing :(
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doggodaddo78 6y ago
Ugh. Yes, that sucks. Benefit of the doubt, patience/curiosity to understand, and fair view are rare as supermodels with PhD's flying jet aircraft these days. Up/down vote I think is too ambiguous: there ought to be an agree/disagree metric and a relevant-interesting/irrelevant-uninteresting one too. Maybe even get rid of displayed karma and simply vote on multiple properties (insightful, agreed, brave, well-reasoned, informative, primary source anecdote)

kd0amg 6y ago

> I wonder why multiple people read his comment as pro Pinkertons (pro AMZN etc.) Because "this is common practice" is often used as an argument that "this is reasonable."

secfirstmd 6y ago
The comment was made to highlight that Pinkerton are working with Facebook (amongst others) thus Facebook may also be concerned about union organising. So watch out if you are trying. Esp with Pinkertons past record.
- doggodaddo78 6y ago
  Yes, exactly. Interestingly: McDonald's has their own internal surveillance apparatus that functions much like their own Pinkerton's.

Supermancho 6y ago

> Pinkerton are the corporate security company of choice for a lot of organisations...including Facebook > I wonder why multiple people read his comment as pro Pinkertons It was stated as a whataboutism, which is a defensive tactic. If the point was to indicate that the Pinkertons are not unusual, then that would be the subject. Instead, it reads as "this is not unusual", which is incorrect, regardless of intent.

secfirstmd 6y ago
Author of comment here. No it wasn't stated as whataboutism. It was stated with the intent to highlight that Facebook uses Pinkerton so perhaps Facebook also has very deep concerns about union organising also. Especially as Pinkerton is historically well known for this sort of counter activity.

doggodaddo78 6y ago

No, not pro-Pinkerton; not appreciating the historical infamy of the Pinkerton's. They are like lobbyists - true scum: tools of the rich harming people for money.