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Interesting - do you happen to have a source? Here's some for me: http://docnews.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/full/3/10/8 http://docnews.diabetesjournals.o

Interesting - do you happen to have a source? Here's some for me: http://docnews.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/full/3/10/8 http://docnews.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/full/3/10/8 http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-03-15-fruits-vegetables-study_N.htm http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-03-15-fruits-vegeta... http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070415183652.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070415183652.ht... Regardless, I definitely agree with your starch points at the top of the thread.

kingkongrevenge 18y ago
I just quickly went through the references and every one of them is either: a pooled analysis (inscrutable), a relative risk factor analysis (worthless; assumptions piled on assumptions), or doesn't indicate anything about servings. I have in the past seen actual population studies, not pop media articles, looking at relative vegetable consumption and coming up blank. High rates of heart disease in indian vegetarians, very low rates of heart disease in low vegetable consumption mormons, etc. Actual controlled experiments (not surveys) come up blank when they feed people more fruit and vegetables than a relatively low cut-off. Of course surveys are going to be very hard to get any useful information out of because of course health conscious people in America will tend to eat vegetables; that doesn't establish causation, only that they follow one piece of advice whether valid or not. Look at these actual experiments: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Freese%20R%22[Author]&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus Consistently no significant blood chemistry effects from high fruit/veg diets.
- chandler 18y ago
  >> High rates of heart disease in indian vegetarians... Have you ever been to an Indian restaurant and ordered a vegetarian meal? While incredibly flavorful, I wouldn't classify it as even moderately healthy--
  - ashu 18y ago
    What is served in Indian restaurants (especially in the US) is far removed from and has way too much oil / cream than what is the norm in Indian homes.
- flipbrad 18y ago
  Tinyurl next time?

kingkongrevenge 18y ago

I just quickly went through the references and every one of them is either: a pooled analysis (inscrutable), a relative risk factor analysis (worthless; assumptions piled on assumptions), or doesn't indicate anything about servings. I have in the past seen actual population studies, not pop media articles, looking at relative vegetable consumption and coming up blank. High rates of heart disease in indian vegetarians, very low rates of heart disease in low vegetable consumption mormons, etc. Actual controlled experiments (not surveys) come up blank when they feed people more fruit and vegetables than a relatively low cut-off. Of course surveys are going to be very hard to get any useful information out of because of course health conscious people in America will tend to eat vegetables; that doesn't establish causation, only that they follow one piece of advice whether valid or not. Look at these actual experiments: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Freese%20R%22[Author]&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus Consistently no significant blood chemistry effects from high fruit/veg diets.

chandler 18y ago
>> High rates of heart disease in indian vegetarians... Have you ever been to an Indian restaurant and ordered a vegetarian meal? While incredibly flavorful, I wouldn't classify it as even moderately healthy--
- ashu 18y ago
  What is served in Indian restaurants (especially in the US) is far removed from and has way too much oil / cream than what is the norm in Indian homes.
flipbrad 18y ago
Tinyurl next time?