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> Everyday I see a world where many in my generation have simply given up all hope for opportunity of a family, a house, a stable career and forced to confront

> Everyday I see a world where many in my generation have simply given up all hope for opportunity of a family, a house, a stable career and forced to confront an uncertain future in a world that is slowly boiling itself to death. South Korea and Japan are 10-20 years ahead of the same curve here. However, the result has been resignation and stagnation, not revolution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampo_generation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampo_generation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satori_generation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satori_generation

1-6 6y ago
On the Sampo generation wiki, 53.5% state that there's no money to save. Although I'm not an expert on these matters, what happened to packing your bags and moving out of Seoul or Gyeonggi-do to save some money? I think the motivation may not be there for some or social pressures keep people where they are in life. In Korea, you can easily raise kids if you're outside of Seoul/Gyeonggi. The teacher to student ratio is very close to 1.
- yongjik 6y ago
  Not enough jobs. People do settle in smaller cities if there are jobs - the city of Ulsan has higher GDP per capita than Seoul, thanks to Hyundai Motors and other big plants, but it's not exactly easy to get one of these jobs. In the end, most people flock to the greater Seoul area because that's where most jobs are.
  - nazgulnarsil 6y ago
    if your savings rate is lower then it isn't exactly a good job, though you may enjoy the amenities while you are there...though not if you are working too hard to have time for them.
    - selestify 6y ago
      What makes you think the savings rate is lower in the cities? You might not even have a job in the first place outside the city
  - Taylor_OD 6y ago
    The major reason my small ruralish home town has a brain/talent/youth drain is the lack of high quality jobs. I'm pushing to move to my partners small ruralish town now that we can work remote but her fear is the lack of like minded friends. It's sad because it is much more enjoyable and realistic to live, raise a family, and buy a home in these types of areas as compared to a city.
    - mac01021 6y ago
      What qualifies as a like-minded friend? Same hobbies? Same political ideology? Same profession?
      - Taylor_OD 6y ago
        Some glob of all of those. Someone we'd be interested in spending significant amount of time with. People who we'd be okay with them being our primarily in person friend group.
        silexia 6y ago
        I moved from Los Angeles to the rural area I grew up a year ago. The biggest thing I miss is the people. There are a fraction of the people here that there were in LA and the average education, income, and general approachability here is much lower. Plus almost everyone I have met out here is refusing to get the Covid vaccine because of conspiracy theories.
        Taylor_OD 6y ago
        Yup. It's funny I describe one of the biggest downsides to smaller areas as only having 1 of a given restaurant/retail option. Like Chinese food? There is probably 1 restaurant close by. In the city you had 15-100. Grocery store? 1. I havnt thought about it before but it's probably very similar with the people. People who enjoy the same type of music as you and that you'd want to hangout with? 1. People who enjoy playing boardgames and have time to play them? 1. Potential life partner? 1. The options just drastically decrease which is hard to cope with for a lot of people.
Animats 6y ago
What countries have successfully resisted the movement of money to the rich over the last 20 years?
- me_me_me 6y ago
  None, its a global issue for globalized world. I am finishing reading the Code of Capital, very interesting look at this exact issue (though bit though for me to go through)
- smattiso 6y ago
  I'm sure they will face the piper at some point, but you don't see people in Copenhagen living on the streets or in squalor. Probably because China makes all of their stuff and immigrants build all of their houses, but still.
- cbHXBY1D 6y ago
  Bolivia, Cuba, China, Vietnam, etc :-)
pattusk 6y ago
They are not 10 to 20 years ahead of the curve. The Sampo and Satori generations are very much in the same age bracket as Western millenials. Stagnation and resignation has also been the answer for millenials in the West. If by revolution you mean the recent Capitol riots, most of the protesters were over 40 and well off. If anything I'm surprised by how politically apathetic this (my) generation is.
- elindbe3 6y ago
  They get it out of their system on Twitter
- mechEpleb 6y ago
  Engaging in political activity would require leaving my room.
nostrademons 6y ago
There's a pretty big difference between East Asian cultures and contemporary American culture, though. The former tend to be shame-based cultures: "I can't succeed, and this is because I am personally a failure." The latter tends to be an anger-based culture: "I can't succeed, and this is because the government / corporations / landlords / George Soros fucked me over." Elsewhere in the world, this same generation also represents itself as ISIS and revolutionaries in Syria, cartels and gangs in Mexico & central America, and pirates in Somalia. As a developed nation, demographic realities reached America after they reached those countries. We'll see what form it takes here.
- machawinka 6y ago
  Multiple forms, unlike most of asia these are multicultural societies, The Losers are distributed across these multiple cultural spheres and they will react in different ways.
mc32 6y ago
I think comfort is something that affects people. People in poor countries, the Philippines for example, have fewer opportunities, less ability to save, yet somehow form families, raise kids and look to a better tomorrow. In rich countries people feel like they’re missing something if they’re not keeping up with the Joneses. In the Philippines not many people are ashamed of second hand clothing. In Korea that’s just not something people would do. It’s not pride but it’s also not the best way to deal with reality.
SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
South Korea at least is a pretty special case. They were one of the poorest countries in the world as recently as the 70s, so there's no real sense of "older generations had it better" to get outraged about.
loceng 6y ago
You need the right policies in place to direct resources accordingly; Freedom Dividend/UBI, Democracy Dollars, Journalist Dollars, Ranked Choice Voting or similar, etc.
totetsu 6y ago
In Japan such hopes can be replaced with digital celebrities, and DMM games characters https://japan-animemusic.com/en/news/%5BAnime%20Key%20Player%20Interview%20%2313%5DTakeshi%20Osaka%2C%20CEO%20and%20Founder%20of%20Activ8%20Inc.Part.3 https://japan-animemusic.com/en/news/%5BAnime%20Key%20Player...

1-6 6y ago

On the Sampo generation wiki, 53.5% state that there's no money to save. Although I'm not an expert on these matters, what happened to packing your bags and moving out of Seoul or Gyeonggi-do to save some money? I think the motivation may not be there for some or social pressures keep people where they are in life. In Korea, you can easily raise kids if you're outside of Seoul/Gyeonggi. The teacher to student ratio is very close to 1.

yongjik 6y ago
Not enough jobs. People do settle in smaller cities if there are jobs - the city of Ulsan has higher GDP per capita than Seoul, thanks to Hyundai Motors and other big plants, but it's not exactly easy to get one of these jobs. In the end, most people flock to the greater Seoul area because that's where most jobs are.
- nazgulnarsil 6y ago
  if your savings rate is lower then it isn't exactly a good job, though you may enjoy the amenities while you are there...though not if you are working too hard to have time for them.
  - selestify 6y ago
    What makes you think the savings rate is lower in the cities? You might not even have a job in the first place outside the city
- Taylor_OD 6y ago
  The major reason my small ruralish home town has a brain/talent/youth drain is the lack of high quality jobs. I'm pushing to move to my partners small ruralish town now that we can work remote but her fear is the lack of like minded friends. It's sad because it is much more enjoyable and realistic to live, raise a family, and buy a home in these types of areas as compared to a city.
  - mac01021 6y ago
    What qualifies as a like-minded friend? Same hobbies? Same political ideology? Same profession?
    - Taylor_OD 6y ago
      Some glob of all of those. Someone we'd be interested in spending significant amount of time with. People who we'd be okay with them being our primarily in person friend group.
      - silexia 6y ago
        I moved from Los Angeles to the rural area I grew up a year ago. The biggest thing I miss is the people. There are a fraction of the people here that there were in LA and the average education, income, and general approachability here is much lower. Plus almost everyone I have met out here is refusing to get the Covid vaccine because of conspiracy theories.
        Taylor_OD 6y ago
        Yup. It's funny I describe one of the biggest downsides to smaller areas as only having 1 of a given restaurant/retail option. Like Chinese food? There is probably 1 restaurant close by. In the city you had 15-100. Grocery store? 1. I havnt thought about it before but it's probably very similar with the people. People who enjoy the same type of music as you and that you'd want to hangout with? 1. People who enjoy playing boardgames and have time to play them? 1. Potential life partner? 1. The options just drastically decrease which is hard to cope with for a lot of people.

Animats 6y ago

What countries have successfully resisted the movement of money to the rich over the last 20 years?

me_me_me 6y ago
None, its a global issue for globalized world. I am finishing reading the Code of Capital, very interesting look at this exact issue (though bit though for me to go through)
smattiso 6y ago
I'm sure they will face the piper at some point, but you don't see people in Copenhagen living on the streets or in squalor. Probably because China makes all of their stuff and immigrants build all of their houses, but still.
cbHXBY1D 6y ago
Bolivia, Cuba, China, Vietnam, etc :-)

pattusk 6y ago

They are not 10 to 20 years ahead of the curve. The Sampo and Satori generations are very much in the same age bracket as Western millenials. Stagnation and resignation has also been the answer for millenials in the West. If by revolution you mean the recent Capitol riots, most of the protesters were over 40 and well off. If anything I'm surprised by how politically apathetic this (my) generation is.

elindbe3 6y ago
They get it out of their system on Twitter
mechEpleb 6y ago
Engaging in political activity would require leaving my room.

nostrademons 6y ago

There's a pretty big difference between East Asian cultures and contemporary American culture, though. The former tend to be shame-based cultures: "I can't succeed, and this is because I am personally a failure." The latter tends to be an anger-based culture: "I can't succeed, and this is because the government / corporations / landlords / George Soros fucked me over." Elsewhere in the world, this same generation also represents itself as ISIS and revolutionaries in Syria, cartels and gangs in Mexico & central America, and pirates in Somalia. As a developed nation, demographic realities reached America after they reached those countries. We'll see what form it takes here.

machawinka 6y ago
Multiple forms, unlike most of asia these are multicultural societies, The Losers are distributed across these multiple cultural spheres and they will react in different ways.

mc32 6y ago

I think comfort is something that affects people. People in poor countries, the Philippines for example, have fewer opportunities, less ability to save, yet somehow form families, raise kids and look to a better tomorrow. In rich countries people feel like they’re missing something if they’re not keeping up with the Joneses. In the Philippines not many people are ashamed of second hand clothing. In Korea that’s just not something people would do. It’s not pride but it’s also not the best way to deal with reality.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

South Korea at least is a pretty special case. They were one of the poorest countries in the world as recently as the 70s, so there's no real sense of "older generations had it better" to get outraged about.

loceng 6y ago

You need the right policies in place to direct resources accordingly; Freedom Dividend/UBI, Democracy Dollars, Journalist Dollars, Ranked Choice Voting or similar, etc.

totetsu 6y ago

In Japan such hopes can be replaced with digital celebrities, and DMM games characters https://japan-animemusic.com/en/news/%5BAnime%20Key%20Player%20Interview%20%2313%5DTakeshi%20Osaka%2C%20CEO%20and%20Founder%20of%20Activ8%20Inc.Part.3 https://japan-animemusic.com/en/news/%5BAnime%20Key%20Player...