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Why not? I went vegan, it's pretty good.

Aromasin 6y ago
Echoing this sentiment. I spent years doing mental gymnastics to justify my meat and dairy consumption. Going vegan was a great release of that mental tension.
- lotsofpulp 6y ago
  I don’t need to do any gymnastics, cheese just tastes so good. Probably the least healthy thing I eat, and most difficult to limit. I don’t need or crave sugar, chocolate, alcohol, coffee, tea... but cheese, yogurt, milk, and their derivations are irresistible.
  - roebk 6y ago
    It may taste good, but your addiction to casein causes vast amounts of harm to the environment and to the animals who are exploited for the pleasure it brings yourself.
    - krageon 6y ago
      If guilt tripping turned people vegan, everyone would be vegan by now (seriously, who hasn't heard at least one berate them like this?). Given that this isn't the case, perhaps you can come up with something that is a little more convincing.
      - roebk 6y ago
        There's nothing wrong with restating the facts. Your argument could be applied to a host of topics. The truth is, the vast majority of people aren't willing to change. For example, heart disease is the biggest killer in the world and yet people still don't take the required steps to prevent themselves of suffering from that disease.
        creata 6y ago
        > There's nothing wrong with restating the facts. Sure, but it's still counterproductive. Most people respond to guilt by just digging their heels in. When you want to convince someone to give up something dear to their heart, you have to tread carefully.
        cpursley 6y ago
        The main causes of heart disease in the US are sugar, excessive carbs and smoking, not Saturday morning bacon.
        roebk 6y ago
        Highly refined carbs are certainly a problem. Regardless of your opinion, red meat - including processed meat such as bacon - is also a cause of coronary heart disease. "We found that greater intakes of total, unprocessed, and processed red meat were each associated with a higher risk of CHD. Compared with total, unprocessed, or processed red meat, other dietary components such as soy, nuts, and legumes were associated with a lower risk of CHD." [1] [1] https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4141 https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4141
        tpoacher 6y ago
        This study suffers from severe methodological flaws, which the authors acknowledge (having made their research questions explicit), but alas it is used in ways that extrapolate the findings to conclusions unsupported by the study. In particular, the findings are entirely compatible with 1. The possibility that meat will lead to a reduction in risk if used in the same kinds of dishes as the nuts and legumes in this study 2. Nuts and legumes will lead to an increase in risk if used in the same kinds of dishes as the hotdogs and burgers which were the focus of the study. I've seen people (not you) dump citations like this to claim health benefits for crap like facon, which is deepfried coconut infused in liquid smoke, at the same time as branding a caesar salad a cardiac risk.
        krageon 6y ago
        > There's nothing wrong with restating the facts. There's nothing inherently wrong with anything. That said, they're being restated for a reason and unless that reason is the satisfaction of reading the post or hearing the words out of your own mouth, restating these facts doesn't make any sense.
    - wooger 6y ago
      Your addiction to breathing causes harm to the environment, so selfish.
      - Monory 6y ago
        You can, however, live without cheese. You cannot without breathing.
- idclip 6y ago
  Can u message me ur recipes?
whywhywhywhy 6y ago
Just doesn’t have the same sensation, I’ve tried all the latest modern vegan stuff and it just replaces things that actually would be the lighter more flavorful parts of the meal with stodge. There is no vegan food alternative to say a rare steak or raw tuna which is extremely flavorful, nutritious and light.
- happyhardcore 6y ago
  I've found that the cheaper processed meats (chicken, burgers etc.) have the most convincing plant-based alternatives, usually from soy protein. Any seafood or dishes where the meat is the main flavour such as steak there's just no alternative that comes anywhere close; same goes for vegan alternatives to cheese. What I found most helpful when going vegetarian was realising that it's not an all-or-nothing type situation, and if I can go completely vegetarian except for eating tuna or steak a couple times a month then that's better than not trying at all, even though that's not an argument I've really seen repeated all that much on the internet.
  - cloudier 6y ago
    It looks like your stance has a name: https://www.lesswasteworld.com/blog-1/2019/4/24/low-impact-eating-without-going-vegan https://www.lesswasteworld.com/blog-1/2019/4/24/low-impact-e... reducitarian: reducing proportion of non vegetarian meals without complete elimination Some strategies for achieving this include meatless Mondays, weekday vegetarian meals or sticking to vegetarian meals at home.
- chrischen 6y ago
  That’s like saying there is no animal faster than a horse for transportation... until you realize you don’t need animals at all to get you to your goal. Yes you can’t replace the experience of a steak, but you can replace the satisfying meal with something non-meat (I’m not vegetarian). I agree imitation meat usually tastes like crap but I’ve had great vegan fried chicken in Japan where I didn’t even know it was not meat until after the meal. That and just getting used to all the non-meat stuff you can eat (ramen, MSG, bean curd, legumes, kimchi). In American cuisine i think of vegan food as imitation meat and stramed veggies... I think what most people associate with meat is actually the flavors that go into the meat-centric dish most cuisine is based on.
mixedCase 6y ago
I'll be direct and to the point: I'd rather slit my wrists than drop meat long-term. I find most vegan food distateful to the point of depression-inducing, and of all diets I've tried nothing has felt better for my body than going low-carb and upping my fat intake; which is nigh-impossible in an already limited vegan diet. I'm happy that it works for some people, and I'm not against economically reasonable measures to reduce the externalities of meat production. But veganism is absolutely nowhere near being a universally viable diet for human beings.

Echoing this sentiment. I spent years doing mental gymnastics to justify my meat and dairy consumption. Going vegan was a great release of that mental tension.

lotsofpulp 6y ago
I don’t need to do any gymnastics, cheese just tastes so good. Probably the least healthy thing I eat, and most difficult to limit. I don’t need or crave sugar, chocolate, alcohol, coffee, tea... but cheese, yogurt, milk, and their derivations are irresistible.
- roebk 6y ago
  It may taste good, but your addiction to casein causes vast amounts of harm to the environment and to the animals who are exploited for the pleasure it brings yourself.
  - krageon 6y ago
    If guilt tripping turned people vegan, everyone would be vegan by now (seriously, who hasn't heard at least one berate them like this?). Given that this isn't the case, perhaps you can come up with something that is a little more convincing.
    - roebk 6y ago
      There's nothing wrong with restating the facts. Your argument could be applied to a host of topics. The truth is, the vast majority of people aren't willing to change. For example, heart disease is the biggest killer in the world and yet people still don't take the required steps to prevent themselves of suffering from that disease.
      - creata 6y ago
        > There's nothing wrong with restating the facts. Sure, but it's still counterproductive. Most people respond to guilt by just digging their heels in. When you want to convince someone to give up something dear to their heart, you have to tread carefully.
      - cpursley 6y ago
        The main causes of heart disease in the US are sugar, excessive carbs and smoking, not Saturday morning bacon.
        roebk 6y ago
        Highly refined carbs are certainly a problem. Regardless of your opinion, red meat - including processed meat such as bacon - is also a cause of coronary heart disease. "We found that greater intakes of total, unprocessed, and processed red meat were each associated with a higher risk of CHD. Compared with total, unprocessed, or processed red meat, other dietary components such as soy, nuts, and legumes were associated with a lower risk of CHD." [1] [1] https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4141 https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4141
        tpoacher 6y ago
        This study suffers from severe methodological flaws, which the authors acknowledge (having made their research questions explicit), but alas it is used in ways that extrapolate the findings to conclusions unsupported by the study. In particular, the findings are entirely compatible with 1. The possibility that meat will lead to a reduction in risk if used in the same kinds of dishes as the nuts and legumes in this study 2. Nuts and legumes will lead to an increase in risk if used in the same kinds of dishes as the hotdogs and burgers which were the focus of the study. I've seen people (not you) dump citations like this to claim health benefits for crap like facon, which is deepfried coconut infused in liquid smoke, at the same time as branding a caesar salad a cardiac risk.
      - krageon 6y ago
        > There's nothing wrong with restating the facts. There's nothing inherently wrong with anything. That said, they're being restated for a reason and unless that reason is the satisfaction of reading the post or hearing the words out of your own mouth, restating these facts doesn't make any sense.
  - wooger 6y ago
    Your addiction to breathing causes harm to the environment, so selfish.
    - Monory 6y ago
      You can, however, live without cheese. You cannot without breathing.
idclip 6y ago
Can u message me ur recipes?

whywhywhywhy 6y ago

Just doesn’t have the same sensation, I’ve tried all the latest modern vegan stuff and it just replaces things that actually would be the lighter more flavorful parts of the meal with stodge. There is no vegan food alternative to say a rare steak or raw tuna which is extremely flavorful, nutritious and light.

happyhardcore 6y ago
I've found that the cheaper processed meats (chicken, burgers etc.) have the most convincing plant-based alternatives, usually from soy protein. Any seafood or dishes where the meat is the main flavour such as steak there's just no alternative that comes anywhere close; same goes for vegan alternatives to cheese. What I found most helpful when going vegetarian was realising that it's not an all-or-nothing type situation, and if I can go completely vegetarian except for eating tuna or steak a couple times a month then that's better than not trying at all, even though that's not an argument I've really seen repeated all that much on the internet.
- cloudier 6y ago
  It looks like your stance has a name: https://www.lesswasteworld.com/blog-1/2019/4/24/low-impact-eating-without-going-vegan https://www.lesswasteworld.com/blog-1/2019/4/24/low-impact-e... reducitarian: reducing proportion of non vegetarian meals without complete elimination Some strategies for achieving this include meatless Mondays, weekday vegetarian meals or sticking to vegetarian meals at home.
chrischen 6y ago
That’s like saying there is no animal faster than a horse for transportation... until you realize you don’t need animals at all to get you to your goal. Yes you can’t replace the experience of a steak, but you can replace the satisfying meal with something non-meat (I’m not vegetarian). I agree imitation meat usually tastes like crap but I’ve had great vegan fried chicken in Japan where I didn’t even know it was not meat until after the meal. That and just getting used to all the non-meat stuff you can eat (ramen, MSG, bean curd, legumes, kimchi). In American cuisine i think of vegan food as imitation meat and stramed veggies... I think what most people associate with meat is actually the flavors that go into the meat-centric dish most cuisine is based on.

mixedCase 6y ago

I'll be direct and to the point: I'd rather slit my wrists than drop meat long-term. I find most vegan food distateful to the point of depression-inducing, and of all diets I've tried nothing has felt better for my body than going low-carb and upping my fat intake; which is nigh-impossible in an already limited vegan diet. I'm happy that it works for some people, and I'm not against economically reasonable measures to reduce the externalities of meat production. But veganism is absolutely nowhere near being a universally viable diet for human beings.