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Yes - we know this. We've known this for a long time. The question is what now? Western nations have shown no political will to stand up to China.

crashdelta 6y ago
The powers that be do not care, because they're Muslims.
- yumraj 6y ago
  Do the Muslim countries care, No!
  - crashdelta 6y ago
    That's the interesting part TBH... why is nobody sticking up for them?
    - elefanten 6y ago
      Because for all the crap people give America for conducting foreign policy according to its economic interests, everybody else does the same. And right now, doing business with China is lucrative because of their human misery arbitrage.
    - duxup 6y ago
      The willingness to take a financial / trade hit for a random group of people hasn't been a common event as far as governments go... much ever? Sad but that seems to be the case.
    - ralph84 6y ago
      Muslims are hardly a unified front. Look at how many majority-Muslim countries have had civil wars or wars against each other at some point in the last 30 years.
    - zaik 6y ago
      In politics, everything happens primarily to gain or maintain power. If some group of people is not relevant for either, people in power will not stick up for them.
    - cirgue 6y ago
      Because Muslim countries by and large are not in geopolitical or economic positions to act unilaterally in any way that is a)remotely effective, and b) not massively costly in economic and political terms.
    - api 6y ago
      Everyone is utterly dependent on cheap Chinese manufacturing. The price of manufactured goods would probably quadruple overnight if companies had to abandon China. It’s not just cheap labor. China has all of cheap labor, lax environmental laws, cheap energy, a very manufacturing friendly government, a tech ecosystem, local expertise, and infrastructure. It’s literally the ideal place to manufacture, at least from an amoral economic perspective. Nobody can compete with China in manufacturing except in niche high skill areas.
    - joe433343 6y ago
      Because its impossible to say fuck allah in front of a muslim Eduated or not they are way too conformance to religion. I can the same to a christian or any other religion friends and joke about it and does not have to fear.
      - Thorrez 6y ago
        How is that relevant to the question of why Muslim-majority countries aren't sticking up for Uighurs?
  - Frypa 6y ago
    As a muslim, I can tell you that muslims and even non-muslims care a lot. It's a human thing. Muslim countries are 99% dictatorships, where the leadership doesn't even care about their own people.
nashashmi 6y ago
When the Holocaust was happening, no one cared. The holocaust was stopped because it aligned with a different interest: to stop nazi Germany. The holocaust was only to make the nazi look bad. Otherwise no one cared about Jews either.
- _-david-_ 6y ago
  Most people did not know about the Holocaust until after WW2 started.
  - fileyfood500 6y ago
    FDR/senior government and military officials in the US army knew. They made choices to focus on American interests at multiple points, even as they closed on victory on the European front, they prioritized strategic targets over concentration camps. The USSR ended up being the one to free most of the camps, and conquer most of Germany. Strategic targets are definitely important for protecting soldiers, but really the point here is that the military leaders were aware, and the fact the soldiers were surprised/shocked is a result of them not being informed and/or it being a shocking thing to see even when you know it’s coming.
    - yellowapple 6y ago
      > they prioritized strategic targets over concentration camps. Well yeah, that's just Winning Wars 101. If the decision is between "let's knock out these strategic targets so that we can end the war quickly and (assuming we know about them) shut down the concentration camps all at once" v. "let's get bogged down by starting with the concentration camps while the enemy continues to churn out arms and war machines and troops because we couldn't be assed to focus on the strategic targets", the former is really the only reasonable choice.
    - neolog 6y ago
      > FDR/senior government and military officials in the US army knew. I'd be interested to see the source material for that.
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crashdelta 6y ago

The powers that be do not care, because they're Muslims.

yumraj 6y ago
Do the Muslim countries care, No!
- crashdelta 6y ago
  That's the interesting part TBH... why is nobody sticking up for them?
  - elefanten 6y ago
    Because for all the crap people give America for conducting foreign policy according to its economic interests, everybody else does the same. And right now, doing business with China is lucrative because of their human misery arbitrage.
  - duxup 6y ago
    The willingness to take a financial / trade hit for a random group of people hasn't been a common event as far as governments go... much ever? Sad but that seems to be the case.
  - ralph84 6y ago
    Muslims are hardly a unified front. Look at how many majority-Muslim countries have had civil wars or wars against each other at some point in the last 30 years.
  - zaik 6y ago
    In politics, everything happens primarily to gain or maintain power. If some group of people is not relevant for either, people in power will not stick up for them.
  - cirgue 6y ago
    Because Muslim countries by and large are not in geopolitical or economic positions to act unilaterally in any way that is a)remotely effective, and b) not massively costly in economic and political terms.
  - api 6y ago
    Everyone is utterly dependent on cheap Chinese manufacturing. The price of manufactured goods would probably quadruple overnight if companies had to abandon China. It’s not just cheap labor. China has all of cheap labor, lax environmental laws, cheap energy, a very manufacturing friendly government, a tech ecosystem, local expertise, and infrastructure. It’s literally the ideal place to manufacture, at least from an amoral economic perspective. Nobody can compete with China in manufacturing except in niche high skill areas.
  - joe433343 6y ago
    Because its impossible to say fuck allah in front of a muslim Eduated or not they are way too conformance to religion. I can the same to a christian or any other religion friends and joke about it and does not have to fear.
    - Thorrez 6y ago
      How is that relevant to the question of why Muslim-majority countries aren't sticking up for Uighurs?
- Frypa 6y ago
  As a muslim, I can tell you that muslims and even non-muslims care a lot. It's a human thing. Muslim countries are 99% dictatorships, where the leadership doesn't even care about their own people.

nashashmi 6y ago

When the Holocaust was happening, no one cared. The holocaust was stopped because it aligned with a different interest: to stop nazi Germany. The holocaust was only to make the nazi look bad. Otherwise no one cared about Jews either.

_-david-_ 6y ago
Most people did not know about the Holocaust until after WW2 started.
- fileyfood500 6y ago
  FDR/senior government and military officials in the US army knew. They made choices to focus on American interests at multiple points, even as they closed on victory on the European front, they prioritized strategic targets over concentration camps. The USSR ended up being the one to free most of the camps, and conquer most of Germany. Strategic targets are definitely important for protecting soldiers, but really the point here is that the military leaders were aware, and the fact the soldiers were surprised/shocked is a result of them not being informed and/or it being a shocking thing to see even when you know it’s coming.
  - yellowapple 6y ago
    > they prioritized strategic targets over concentration camps. Well yeah, that's just Winning Wars 101. If the decision is between "let's knock out these strategic targets so that we can end the war quickly and (assuming we know about them) shut down the concentration camps all at once" v. "let's get bogged down by starting with the concentration camps while the enemy continues to churn out arms and war machines and troops because we couldn't be assed to focus on the strategic targets", the former is really the only reasonable choice.
  - neolog 6y ago
    > FDR/senior government and military officials in the US army knew. I'd be interested to see the source material for that.

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