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I'm still using a Macbook Air 2014 but looking at getting a new laptop. How are the new ones? Do they last as long and built as well as the old ones? Otherwise

I'm still using a Macbook Air 2014 but looking at getting a new laptop. How are the new ones? Do they last as long and built as well as the old ones? Otherwise, does anyone know a good solid laptop that I can install linux on without driver / battery issues?

lovelyviking 6y ago
My new M1 is full of bugs and at this point after being downvoted here for stating the facts I do not care wether those are software bugs or hardware issues. It's the buggiest machine I ever had. It even became not bootable in the first day. And I mean completely not bootable. You can't boot it from external usb stick. You can't do anything without 'another Mac' to 'revive' it as they call it. (see here for description: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26203799 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26203799 and I have described more of the bugs in this thread) I can't say this about MacBookPro of 2009. This one worked. But the model of 2015 just have fallen apart. (You can dig in my comments how. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25809097 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25809097) This M1 became not bootable because their Disk Utility in recovery options become unresponsive at some point and then it showed black screen containing exclamation mark with url where they tell you that you need another Mac to revive this one. Somehow not this black screen with exclamation mark nor the web pages it points to did not mention that there is another boot option that is discussed here. Look for idiotic explanations for that fact around this thread. And see how I've been downvoted for stating that fact. "Very fast" some say? I still wish to see it, because so far it feels just like the one I had before or slower! I am not talking about benchmarks, I am talking about day to day experience. Example: Screen shot (cmd-shift-4) takes ~1-2 seconds for cross-cursor to appear. The saddest thing that all of my attempts to communicate about the problems are ignored or facing downvotes instead of digging into it and trying to find out why it happened which was my initial intent and what I was expecting to happen at least here. Instead I observe some bs like "oh, I never heard about any problems or let's ignore those problems because perhaps it's your hardware". But even if it is? It's still an issue! BTW I ran apple diagnostics and it shows "no issues found". So I've seen no evidence for any hardware issues so far. With such attitude when attack goes toward the messenger and not toward the problem It's hard for me to expect a brighter future with that or that those issues would be fixed. They perhaps would simply pretend that nothing has happened and everything is perfect. And at this point I am getting sick of this BS. If this bullying mechanism would not be removed from HN I see no reason to be reasonable here or trying to contribute
- matwood 6y ago
  No one is ignoring you got a dud machine. The problem is that contrary to all the evidence posted otherwise, you keep insisting all m1 Macs have your issues. They do not. The many many reviews and other m1 users show that your experience is not normal (cmd-shift-4 is instant on every Mac I've ever used, including the m1). The day 1 boot issue is fixed if you have applied any update since then. You never responded if you took your machine to Apple and see what their hardware diagnostic tool said. But, it's clear you're angry you got a dud machine, and instead of replacing you want to complain. That's fine.
  - lovelyviking 6y ago
    >No one is ignoring you got a dud machine. It is always a possibility but even in that case it's the quality issue. Who cares whether it is software or hardware ? It could be hardware but how anyone can be sure about it? At least Apple diagnostics says: no issues found. I have not seen direct evidence of that so far. All bugs are perfectly explainable by other reasons. But even if it's a dud machine, it's still the buggiest one I ever had. Why should I care it's software or hardware. >You never responded if you took your machine to Apple and see what their hardware diagnostic tool said. I am stuck with covid situation in another country. There is no Apple here, no "their hardware diagnostic tool" and there is no way to find out what it says. I need to work and this Mac is the only one I have, so sending it somewhere for two or four weeks is not an option. I need to work on my software I develop. >you keep insisting all m1 Macs have your issues. Where I have said it at least once? I was just sharing facts of my experience and my feelings about the situation. I suggested it can be a tendency because my experience tells me so but I never claimed it as a fact. Actually I expected to hear what wrong can be in the software part and I've got zero answers of that sort. This is what I call "not listening". Expressed shortly in: "oh it's just a dud machine, let's ignore it". >The many many reviews... I've seen many many reviews and rarely one of them manages to spot all issues that I am aware of. I am not talking about this M1, it's usually like this with many many products. They do not even mention problems I notice. This the quality of those many many reviews. Show me one that goes thoroughly throw all problems of some product. Usually they miss issues and honestly I get used to it. It's just me? I didn't think it's such a big secret that reviews usually have poor quality. >your experience is not normal (cmd-shift-4 is instant ... who measured it properly? what 'instant' even means? I didn't see one measure in answers here. Among other problems I have mentioned it's the only one that could be related to some 'dud machine'. Boot problems turns out to be known and not only on my machine. Garage band problem I believe related to bluetooth and some bug there and I suspect it is also not only on may machine, because I've seen many people voted up this, while (to my surprise) some downvoted even that. I mean why? Even if you do not have some bug or failed to reproduce it it's better to be voted up to check it and fix it. When I write software I would better check possible bug rather then ignore it which appears as insane thing to do. But the main point is not those bugs I've mentioned. Those were presented just for example. The point there was that there are a lot of bugs that I _didn't_ mention. A lot of bugs are traveling from release to release and nobody cares to fix them like those in Disk Utility. They are not too hard to find. One of them made my machine not bootable. Others just annoying but less destructive. Still tbey are there. I am not talking about overcomplicated things. I am talking about basic things like formatting the usb drive, where Disk Utility fails to format it just because it fails to unmount it and it fails to unmount it just because it is in use by the very Disk Utility for example. I am talking about this level of bugs in very essential part of Mac software. >it's clear you're angry you got a dud machine, and instead of replacing you want to complain. That's fine. Yes, at this point I am angry because I paid money and getting shit doesn't work. But even this is not why I am angry. I am angry when BS starts to prevail instead of a reason, facts and logic and when it starting to prevail in forum like this one that really is upsetting. >you got a dud machine we still do not know that for sure. >and instead of replacing you want to complain. I can't replace it in current situation and if it's dud I'll have to work with what I have, at least until I'll fix my second machine. The thing is I do not want to complain honestly it doesn't help me too much. My intent was to tell the truth , to tell exactly what have happened, to make other people aware that such problems do exist so they can try to avoid them or or get them fixed. And I am getting angry that even that is impossible to do because of downvoting. There should be no downvoting on this site for stating the facts. This is very different from how have described my situation and intents and unfortunately it could easily fall into category of 'not listening' But at least you've managed to tell what you think instead of downvoting and I am grateful to you for that.

lovelyviking 6y ago

My new M1 is full of bugs and at this point after being downvoted here for stating the facts I do not care wether those are software bugs or hardware issues. It's the buggiest machine I ever had. It even became not bootable in the first day. And I mean completely not bootable. You can't boot it from external usb stick. You can't do anything without 'another Mac' to 'revive' it as they call it. (see here for description: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26203799 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26203799 and I have described more of the bugs in this thread) I can't say this about MacBookPro of 2009. This one worked. But the model of 2015 just have fallen apart. (You can dig in my comments how. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25809097 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25809097) This M1 became not bootable because their Disk Utility in recovery options become unresponsive at some point and then it showed black screen containing exclamation mark with url where they tell you that you need another Mac to revive this one. Somehow not this black screen with exclamation mark nor the web pages it points to did not mention that there is another boot option that is discussed here. Look for idiotic explanations for that fact around this thread. And see how I've been downvoted for stating that fact. "Very fast" some say? I still wish to see it, because so far it feels just like the one I had before or slower! I am not talking about benchmarks, I am talking about day to day experience. Example: Screen shot (cmd-shift-4) takes ~1-2 seconds for cross-cursor to appear. The saddest thing that all of my attempts to communicate about the problems are ignored or facing downvotes instead of digging into it and trying to find out why it happened which was my initial intent and what I was expecting to happen at least here. Instead I observe some bs like "oh, I never heard about any problems or let's ignore those problems because perhaps it's your hardware". But even if it is? It's still an issue! BTW I ran apple diagnostics and it shows "no issues found". So I've seen no evidence for any hardware issues so far. With such attitude when attack goes toward the messenger and not toward the problem It's hard for me to expect a brighter future with that or that those issues would be fixed. They perhaps would simply pretend that nothing has happened and everything is perfect. And at this point I am getting sick of this BS. If this bullying mechanism would not be removed from HN I see no reason to be reasonable here or trying to contribute

matwood 6y ago
No one is ignoring you got a dud machine. The problem is that contrary to all the evidence posted otherwise, you keep insisting all m1 Macs have your issues. They do not. The many many reviews and other m1 users show that your experience is not normal (cmd-shift-4 is instant on every Mac I've ever used, including the m1). The day 1 boot issue is fixed if you have applied any update since then. You never responded if you took your machine to Apple and see what their hardware diagnostic tool said. But, it's clear you're angry you got a dud machine, and instead of replacing you want to complain. That's fine.
- lovelyviking 6y ago
  >No one is ignoring you got a dud machine. It is always a possibility but even in that case it's the quality issue. Who cares whether it is software or hardware ? It could be hardware but how anyone can be sure about it? At least Apple diagnostics says: no issues found. I have not seen direct evidence of that so far. All bugs are perfectly explainable by other reasons. But even if it's a dud machine, it's still the buggiest one I ever had. Why should I care it's software or hardware. >You never responded if you took your machine to Apple and see what their hardware diagnostic tool said. I am stuck with covid situation in another country. There is no Apple here, no "their hardware diagnostic tool" and there is no way to find out what it says. I need to work and this Mac is the only one I have, so sending it somewhere for two or four weeks is not an option. I need to work on my software I develop. >you keep insisting all m1 Macs have your issues. Where I have said it at least once? I was just sharing facts of my experience and my feelings about the situation. I suggested it can be a tendency because my experience tells me so but I never claimed it as a fact. Actually I expected to hear what wrong can be in the software part and I've got zero answers of that sort. This is what I call "not listening". Expressed shortly in: "oh it's just a dud machine, let's ignore it". >The many many reviews... I've seen many many reviews and rarely one of them manages to spot all issues that I am aware of. I am not talking about this M1, it's usually like this with many many products. They do not even mention problems I notice. This the quality of those many many reviews. Show me one that goes thoroughly throw all problems of some product. Usually they miss issues and honestly I get used to it. It's just me? I didn't think it's such a big secret that reviews usually have poor quality. >your experience is not normal (cmd-shift-4 is instant ... who measured it properly? what 'instant' even means? I didn't see one measure in answers here. Among other problems I have mentioned it's the only one that could be related to some 'dud machine'. Boot problems turns out to be known and not only on my machine. Garage band problem I believe related to bluetooth and some bug there and I suspect it is also not only on may machine, because I've seen many people voted up this, while (to my surprise) some downvoted even that. I mean why? Even if you do not have some bug or failed to reproduce it it's better to be voted up to check it and fix it. When I write software I would better check possible bug rather then ignore it which appears as insane thing to do. But the main point is not those bugs I've mentioned. Those were presented just for example. The point there was that there are a lot of bugs that I _didn't_ mention. A lot of bugs are traveling from release to release and nobody cares to fix them like those in Disk Utility. They are not too hard to find. One of them made my machine not bootable. Others just annoying but less destructive. Still tbey are there. I am not talking about overcomplicated things. I am talking about basic things like formatting the usb drive, where Disk Utility fails to format it just because it fails to unmount it and it fails to unmount it just because it is in use by the very Disk Utility for example. I am talking about this level of bugs in very essential part of Mac software. >it's clear you're angry you got a dud machine, and instead of replacing you want to complain. That's fine. Yes, at this point I am angry because I paid money and getting shit doesn't work. But even this is not why I am angry. I am angry when BS starts to prevail instead of a reason, facts and logic and when it starting to prevail in forum like this one that really is upsetting. >you got a dud machine we still do not know that for sure. >and instead of replacing you want to complain. I can't replace it in current situation and if it's dud I'll have to work with what I have, at least until I'll fix my second machine. The thing is I do not want to complain honestly it doesn't help me too much. My intent was to tell the truth , to tell exactly what have happened, to make other people aware that such problems do exist so they can try to avoid them or or get them fixed. And I am getting angry that even that is impossible to do because of downvoting. There should be no downvoting on this site for stating the facts. This is very different from how have described my situation and intents and unfortunately it could easily fall into category of 'not listening' But at least you've managed to tell what you think instead of downvoting and I am grateful to you for that.