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I would prefer one that works! How on earth they have managed to make this thing with 'recovery partition' to become 'not bootable'??? They officially say it c

I would prefer one that works! How on earth they have managed to make this thing with 'recovery partition' to become 'not bootable'??? They officially say it can become 'not bootable' if the interrupt occurs during system update. BUT I've got it 'not bootable' without any power interrupts during the very first day. After simple reinstall attempt without any power interrupts this sh..t didn't boot at all !!! It showed black screen with big exclamation mark and url to support which basically says ... go find another Mac to boot this one ... (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211868 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211868). Thanks Apple! Very nice advice with COVID situation The irony is I bought this one as 'another Mac' to fix the previous one that have fallen apart. You can dig in my comments how. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25809097 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25809097 I would really prefer simple booting from external drive at this point. This is the buggiest thing I EVER had. Even the screenshot doesn't work properly. It reacts to(CmdShift-4) after ~2!!! second delay while on previous Mac it was instant. "Very fast" some say? I still wish to see it, because so far it feels just like the one I had before or slower! I am not talking about benchmarks, I am talking about day to day experience. And there are bugs bugs and bugs. I have stopped counting honestly. Just another one as example: Playing something in Garage Band and going to settings gives dialog saying sound engine was not able to process ... I never saw something like that before. And of course enormous amount of useless dialogs with especially jumpy animation just to annoy you enough. It reminds micros..t more and more. I believe this particular 'dialogs feature' have been introduced in Vista? But Vista had another beautiful feature - erasing it and install something that works. Unfortunately here we do not have even this, because it simply would not boot ! Goodness, my feeling is: Can Apple make at least something these days that 'just works' ?

randallsquared 6y ago
I expect there is a hardware failure on your M1.
- lovelyviking 6y ago
  Why you expect it ? I ran apple diagnostics. No issues found. The bugs I have described have other reasonable explanations.
  - randallsquared 6y ago
    Apple diagnostics isn't perfect. My first Mac ever (17" powerbook) also passed diagnostics, but it still had a lot of "weird" issues that came down to a faulty mainboard. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
messe 6y ago
> This is the buggiest thing I EVER had. Even the screenshot doesn't work properly. It reacts to(CmdShift-4) after ~2!!! second delay while on previous Mac it was instant. That's not an issue I've experienced. Screenshot works instantly for me (both CmdShift-3 and CmdShift-4). > "Very fast" some say? I still wish to see it, because so far it feels just like the one I had before or slower! I am not talking about benchmarks, I am talking about day to day experience. What are you running? I'm comparing my M1 air to two a year and old MBP (which admittedly has half the RAM), and it flies in comparison; both in perceived and actual performance. The MBP has consistently latency in the UI animations, which makes using it a pain; and the fan constantly blares at the slightest hint of CPU activity. > Goodness, can Apple make something that 'works' these days? For most people, it seems to be working for them. So it looks like they can make something that 'works', but you've apparently run into an extreme edge case alongside some poor luck.
- lovelyviking 6y ago
  > you've apparently run into an extreme edge case alongside some poor luck. 'extreme edge case'? Like Running Garage Band and going to sound settings? Or reinstalling OS? Which of those is extreme? May be it's not a 'poor luck' may be it's a poor design.
  - leesalminen 6y ago
    I think the parent is saying you’re having bad hardware luck manifesting as glitches in software. I just tried what you described with Settings+GarageBand and was not able to reproduce on my M1 MBA.
    - lovelyviking 6y ago
      Try it with bluetooth speaker connected when Garage Band is playing recorded track ..
    - mistersquid 6y ago
      > you’re having bad hardware luck manifesting as glitches in software This was precisely my experience back in December. I purchased a stock M1 MacBook Pro as well as a customized M1 MacBook Pro, so I could set up the OS as I wanted and migrate Data and settings once the customized Device arrived. The first device behaved as expected: fast performance, responsive UI, cool operating temperature. The second device, however, had issues with UI latency, beachballing Finder operations, and inexplicable slow downs. I tried installing and reinstalling and remigrating the OS, eventually discovering that one or both of my users would be unable to even login to the system. Further analysis revealed that the communication between the T2 chip and the hard drive (or some aspect of the trust a computer system) was not operating properly. I'm not technical enough to detail the exact problem, but it was most certainly a hardware issue or a hardware issue related to the incomplete erasing and reformatting of the M1 MacBook Pro's hard drive. I returned both devices, waited a couple of weeks, and purchased a single customized MacBook Air. This MacBook Air in my experience actually outperforms both previous M1 MacBook Pros. I don't have benchmarks nor do I have the other devices to compare directly, but it seems that this MacBook Air is much more ready for prime time then my mid-December MacBook Pros.
jamesfmilne 6y ago
I have noticed my M1 Mac Mini behaves a bit strangely when I have my external USB3 HDD plugged in. The mouse motion is stuttery, but unplug the drive and it is smooth as silk. There's evidently something low-level going on, probably USB error recovery. Might be worth checking if you have any external hardware causing issues? My main bug bear is my HP Z27 DisplayPort monitor disappears when it goes to sleep. Have to unplug/replug the cable to get it to come back.
- lovelyviking 6y ago
  >Might be worth checking if you have any external hardware causing issues? I have no external drives at all. Well I do but , because they are usb and turns out for this brand new Mac that should be 'everything I ever need' apparently I need to buy a huge adapter sizing like 'half of this Mac' to make it work with peripherals. It doesn't even have sd card reader, not even micro sd card reader. To 'save space' and for better comfort I believe. Somehow raspberry Pi manages to boot from such device. I wish the Apple engineers knew about such amazing feature of micro sd card. If they just could figure out how this hi-tech technology of booting from micro-sd cards works they could do amazing things like booting without a need for 'Another Mac'! ...
- g_p 6y ago
  > I have noticed my M1 Mac Mini behaves a bit strangely when I have my external USB3 HDD plugged in. The mouse motion is stuttery, but unplug the drive and it is smooth as silk. There's evidently something low-level going on, probably USB error recovery. I've had similar sounding issues with a keyboard, mouse, a couple of USB audio devices plugged in via a hub to USB 3 (nothing high bitrate like a USB drive). I need to unplug one of the USB sound devices to stop this if it happens. I think all these devices are USB 2.0 at best.
- tonyedgecombe 6y ago
  I've had that problem with the bluetooth mouse and an Intel Mac Mini. I've also had similar problems with a DisplayPort monitor. Perhaps it isn't M1 specific.
- yarcob 6y ago
matwood 6y ago
> "Very fast" some say? I still wish to see it, because so far it feels just like the one I had before or slower! I am not talking about benchmarks, I am talking about day to day experience. Really sounds like you had some hardware problem. For example, running a java app test suite runs 2x as fast on my M1 MBA than the 2017 MBP it replaced. Instant on from sleep, instant new Safari tabs, and terminal tabs/windows, are all examples of things that have greatly sped up my day to day experience. Add that all this in a machine with no fans, and not much bigger than my iPad Pro. I do run into bugs here and there, but it's hard to tell if they are Big Sur bugs or M1 bugs. I wouldn't consider any of them showstoppers or occurring enough to be more than a minor annoyance.
- lovelyviking 6y ago
  >Really sounds like you had some hardware problem. Apple Diagnostic reports: no issues.
  - matwood 6y ago
    When Apple ran diagnostics, did they also say nothing was wrong? It's completely possible to have dud hardware that is not caught by software. I'm about to send an old MBP to get its battery replaced because it's bulging, yet the battery health tool says it's fine. As far as your m1, something is definitely wrong. It's not just benchmarks have shown that it's fast, but in day to day usage of many common programs. Your m1 experience is the exception, which likely means a problem with your machine.
- yarcob 6y ago
  I don't understand why "instant on" after sleep is supposed to be new when my white iBook G3 already had that back in 2002. Or is it even more instant now?
  - matwood 6y ago
    It's like an iPad or phone now where it doesn't seem like it ever actually shut off. So when you open the lid it's running. Small difference, but incrementally better.
GavinMcG 6y ago
Yes, they can. My M1 Mac just works. You got a dud. Return it.
- lovelyviking 6y ago
  If you open Garage Band, then record sound track then while your track is playing you would go to settings and you connect a bluetooth speaker. Then in Settings->Sound section you would click on tab: Input. It works? Try to stop playing track and start to play it again. All Works? Try to select bluetooth for input and play again. Works? The simplest scenario is when BTSpeaker is already connected, you just run Garage Band. Open settins->sound>input and then press play in Garage Band. Works?
  - GavinMcG 6y ago
    It sounds like you're frustrated, and it sucks being in that spot. I'm not going to spend my day verifying your bug. You've got an issue with bootability, with screenshots, and with audio all in the same system. Send it back. Get a replacement Mac, or get a PC for all anyone cares. Whatever you decide to do, your experience so far has been anamolous compared with lots and lots of other folks.
    - lovelyviking 6y ago
      >I'm not going to spend my day verifying your bug. It's not my bug. It's their bug. >your experience so far has been anamolous compared with lots and lots of other folks Or perhaps those "other folks" just didn't bother to check it properly? Just like you didn't bother? Looks like rarely some one cares too much about the quality these days. I do care. There should be some love in making product and some respect to those who use it. If I thought this problem is specific to this machine only I would not bother to write about it here too much. I have some experience and knowledge for goodness sake . I've seen Disk Utility not functioning too many times already. I expected intelligent people here to be able to listen and take note and realise that it's not some stupid machine that doesn't work. I've seen too many bugs already and this machine is just another example of it. You say it's a "hardware bug"? Does it really makes any difference? Even if it is? I think it's about quality, in that case software quality and another machine would come if not with the same problems then with similar problems.
ineedasername 6y ago
I've had similar issues with Windows and had to resort to install media, so multiple redundancy on Apple is something I'd love to see make it to me as a non-Apple user.
fortran77 6y ago
> Goodness, my feeling is: Can Apple make at least something these days that 'just works' ? This is absolutely true. And what do the "thought leaders" on Hacker News do when a person relates an earnest, first-hand experience? They down-vote it until it's barely visible.
- lovelyviking 6y ago
  Thank you. I it is really disappointing. I mean if this is happening on this site what we can expect from others. I see downvotes for even stating facts. Dang! Can we stop bullying by downvoting for facts and leave just upvotes? I am really getting sick of it. Some topics became untouchable. You say something about free software and you get downvoted. Ok somebody doesn't like those ideas ok. But shutting up those who do is not the way. Or it shouldn't be the way isn't it? I like to read opinions I do not like. At least I can consider that point of view. Make them gray ok, make them down ok, but let me read them at least! I'll go down to see the smartest people, it's fine, but can we stop deleting messages because of bullying? I literally have to copy thread before reading, because I know some good points could be deleted. Or so hard to read because they are almost invisible.

randallsquared 6y ago

I expect there is a hardware failure on your M1.

lovelyviking 6y ago
Why you expect it ? I ran apple diagnostics. No issues found. The bugs I have described have other reasonable explanations.
- randallsquared 6y ago
  Apple diagnostics isn't perfect. My first Mac ever (17" powerbook) also passed diagnostics, but it still had a lot of "weird" issues that came down to a faulty mainboard. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

messe 6y ago

> This is the buggiest thing I EVER had. Even the screenshot doesn't work properly. It reacts to(CmdShift-4) after ~2!!! second delay while on previous Mac it was instant. That's not an issue I've experienced. Screenshot works instantly for me (both CmdShift-3 and CmdShift-4). > "Very fast" some say? I still wish to see it, because so far it feels just like the one I had before or slower! I am not talking about benchmarks, I am talking about day to day experience. What are you running? I'm comparing my M1 air to two a year and old MBP (which admittedly has half the RAM), and it flies in comparison; both in perceived and actual performance. The MBP has consistently latency in the UI animations, which makes using it a pain; and the fan constantly blares at the slightest hint of CPU activity. > Goodness, can Apple make something that 'works' these days? For most people, it seems to be working for them. So it looks like they can make something that 'works', but you've apparently run into an extreme edge case alongside some poor luck.

lovelyviking 6y ago
> you've apparently run into an extreme edge case alongside some poor luck. 'extreme edge case'? Like Running Garage Band and going to sound settings? Or reinstalling OS? Which of those is extreme? May be it's not a 'poor luck' may be it's a poor design.
- leesalminen 6y ago
  I think the parent is saying you’re having bad hardware luck manifesting as glitches in software. I just tried what you described with Settings+GarageBand and was not able to reproduce on my M1 MBA.
  - lovelyviking 6y ago
    Try it with bluetooth speaker connected when Garage Band is playing recorded track ..
  - mistersquid 6y ago
    > you’re having bad hardware luck manifesting as glitches in software This was precisely my experience back in December. I purchased a stock M1 MacBook Pro as well as a customized M1 MacBook Pro, so I could set up the OS as I wanted and migrate Data and settings once the customized Device arrived. The first device behaved as expected: fast performance, responsive UI, cool operating temperature. The second device, however, had issues with UI latency, beachballing Finder operations, and inexplicable slow downs. I tried installing and reinstalling and remigrating the OS, eventually discovering that one or both of my users would be unable to even login to the system. Further analysis revealed that the communication between the T2 chip and the hard drive (or some aspect of the trust a computer system) was not operating properly. I'm not technical enough to detail the exact problem, but it was most certainly a hardware issue or a hardware issue related to the incomplete erasing and reformatting of the M1 MacBook Pro's hard drive. I returned both devices, waited a couple of weeks, and purchased a single customized MacBook Air. This MacBook Air in my experience actually outperforms both previous M1 MacBook Pros. I don't have benchmarks nor do I have the other devices to compare directly, but it seems that this MacBook Air is much more ready for prime time then my mid-December MacBook Pros.

jamesfmilne 6y ago

I have noticed my M1 Mac Mini behaves a bit strangely when I have my external USB3 HDD plugged in. The mouse motion is stuttery, but unplug the drive and it is smooth as silk. There's evidently something low-level going on, probably USB error recovery. Might be worth checking if you have any external hardware causing issues? My main bug bear is my HP Z27 DisplayPort monitor disappears when it goes to sleep. Have to unplug/replug the cable to get it to come back.

lovelyviking 6y ago
>Might be worth checking if you have any external hardware causing issues? I have no external drives at all. Well I do but , because they are usb and turns out for this brand new Mac that should be 'everything I ever need' apparently I need to buy a huge adapter sizing like 'half of this Mac' to make it work with peripherals. It doesn't even have sd card reader, not even micro sd card reader. To 'save space' and for better comfort I believe. Somehow raspberry Pi manages to boot from such device. I wish the Apple engineers knew about such amazing feature of micro sd card. If they just could figure out how this hi-tech technology of booting from micro-sd cards works they could do amazing things like booting without a need for 'Another Mac'! ...
g_p 6y ago
> I have noticed my M1 Mac Mini behaves a bit strangely when I have my external USB3 HDD plugged in. The mouse motion is stuttery, but unplug the drive and it is smooth as silk. There's evidently something low-level going on, probably USB error recovery. I've had similar sounding issues with a keyboard, mouse, a couple of USB audio devices plugged in via a hub to USB 3 (nothing high bitrate like a USB drive). I need to unplug one of the USB sound devices to stop this if it happens. I think all these devices are USB 2.0 at best.
tonyedgecombe 6y ago
I've had that problem with the bluetooth mouse and an Intel Mac Mini. I've also had similar problems with a DisplayPort monitor. Perhaps it isn't M1 specific.
yarcob 6y ago

matwood 6y ago

> "Very fast" some say? I still wish to see it, because so far it feels just like the one I had before or slower! I am not talking about benchmarks, I am talking about day to day experience. Really sounds like you had some hardware problem. For example, running a java app test suite runs 2x as fast on my M1 MBA than the 2017 MBP it replaced. Instant on from sleep, instant new Safari tabs, and terminal tabs/windows, are all examples of things that have greatly sped up my day to day experience. Add that all this in a machine with no fans, and not much bigger than my iPad Pro. I do run into bugs here and there, but it's hard to tell if they are Big Sur bugs or M1 bugs. I wouldn't consider any of them showstoppers or occurring enough to be more than a minor annoyance.

lovelyviking 6y ago
>Really sounds like you had some hardware problem. Apple Diagnostic reports: no issues.
- matwood 6y ago
  When Apple ran diagnostics, did they also say nothing was wrong? It's completely possible to have dud hardware that is not caught by software. I'm about to send an old MBP to get its battery replaced because it's bulging, yet the battery health tool says it's fine. As far as your m1, something is definitely wrong. It's not just benchmarks have shown that it's fast, but in day to day usage of many common programs. Your m1 experience is the exception, which likely means a problem with your machine.
yarcob 6y ago
I don't understand why "instant on" after sleep is supposed to be new when my white iBook G3 already had that back in 2002. Or is it even more instant now?
- matwood 6y ago
  It's like an iPad or phone now where it doesn't seem like it ever actually shut off. So when you open the lid it's running. Small difference, but incrementally better.

GavinMcG 6y ago

Yes, they can. My M1 Mac just works. You got a dud. Return it.

lovelyviking 6y ago
If you open Garage Band, then record sound track then while your track is playing you would go to settings and you connect a bluetooth speaker. Then in Settings->Sound section you would click on tab: Input. It works? Try to stop playing track and start to play it again. All Works? Try to select bluetooth for input and play again. Works? The simplest scenario is when BTSpeaker is already connected, you just run Garage Band. Open settins->sound>input and then press play in Garage Band. Works?
- GavinMcG 6y ago
  It sounds like you're frustrated, and it sucks being in that spot. I'm not going to spend my day verifying your bug. You've got an issue with bootability, with screenshots, and with audio all in the same system. Send it back. Get a replacement Mac, or get a PC for all anyone cares. Whatever you decide to do, your experience so far has been anamolous compared with lots and lots of other folks.
  - lovelyviking 6y ago
    >I'm not going to spend my day verifying your bug. It's not my bug. It's their bug. >your experience so far has been anamolous compared with lots and lots of other folks Or perhaps those "other folks" just didn't bother to check it properly? Just like you didn't bother? Looks like rarely some one cares too much about the quality these days. I do care. There should be some love in making product and some respect to those who use it. If I thought this problem is specific to this machine only I would not bother to write about it here too much. I have some experience and knowledge for goodness sake . I've seen Disk Utility not functioning too many times already. I expected intelligent people here to be able to listen and take note and realise that it's not some stupid machine that doesn't work. I've seen too many bugs already and this machine is just another example of it. You say it's a "hardware bug"? Does it really makes any difference? Even if it is? I think it's about quality, in that case software quality and another machine would come if not with the same problems then with similar problems.

ineedasername 6y ago

I've had similar issues with Windows and had to resort to install media, so multiple redundancy on Apple is something I'd love to see make it to me as a non-Apple user.

fortran77 6y ago

> Goodness, my feeling is: Can Apple make at least something these days that 'just works' ? This is absolutely true. And what do the "thought leaders" on Hacker News do when a person relates an earnest, first-hand experience? They down-vote it until it's barely visible.

lovelyviking 6y ago
Thank you. I it is really disappointing. I mean if this is happening on this site what we can expect from others. I see downvotes for even stating facts. Dang! Can we stop bullying by downvoting for facts and leave just upvotes? I am really getting sick of it. Some topics became untouchable. You say something about free software and you get downvoted. Ok somebody doesn't like those ideas ok. But shutting up those who do is not the way. Or it shouldn't be the way isn't it? I like to read opinions I do not like. At least I can consider that point of view. Make them gray ok, make them down ok, but let me read them at least! I'll go down to see the smartest people, it's fine, but can we stop deleting messages because of bullying? I literally have to copy thread before reading, because I know some good points could be deleted. Or so hard to read because they are almost invisible.