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Linux Sucks 2021 [video]

45 points by blfr 6y ago

Copenjin 6y ago
Never heard of this alternative video platform before, interesting.
- spurgu 6y ago
  Yeah it gives off some nice first impressions! These popped out immediately: - Keyboard controls to skip forward/reverse with arrow keys, pause with space - Video speed adjustment - Threaded comments Edit: Critique for the infinite scrolling for comments. Makes it insanely annoying to reach the footer for some information about the site.
  - tomcooks 6y ago
    Agree on the infinite scrolling being generally bad, especially on comments. Same goes for the obnoxious "more" tiny links that obscure half of the content for no reason
    - spurgu 6y ago
      Yeah, given that browsers have already loaded the content anyways. Suppose it's for tracking who actually reads past the intro paragraph.
- ehnto 6y ago
  It's a pretty interesting platform, (may have been called LBRY before?: https://lbry.com/faq/what-is-lbry https://lbry.com/faq/what-is-lbry > First and foremost, LBRY is a new protocol that allows anyone to build apps that interact with digital content on the LBRY network. Apps built using the protocol allow creators to upload their work to the LBRY network of hosts (like BitTorrent), to set a price per stream or download (like iTunes) or give it away for free (like YouTube without ads). The work you publish could be videos, audio files, documents, or any other type of file.
- MaxBarraclough 6y ago
  LBRY works nicely, but hasn't got a lot of traction. Haven't seen it crop up much since last year's Linux Sucks 2020 video. Incidentally, from Firefox I can right click the video > Save Video As... and I can download the video to watch later. Was surprised to see there doesn't seem to be a download button anywhere on the page, though.
brimstedt 6y ago
Off topic, but personally I enjoy written blogs to vlogs, since you can then easily skim through and see if there is any real content. I'd love read the tldr
- chronial 6y ago
  Same here, but you can just skip through the video and look at the slides. There's not that many and they summarize his points quite succinctly.
  - hkt 6y ago
    Does that put it into the category of "didn't need to be a vlog" or should I watch anyway?
- pantalaimon 6y ago
  tl;dw: - rms and esr are ousted - no community events due to COVID - IBM bought Red Hat - More companies are contributing to Linux than ever - Google is developing Fuchsia - Other OSes didn't last forever either Yea, there is really not much to it.
  - chewxy 6y ago
    His argument on Fuschia is worth listening to tho. But the rest, yeah, pretty meh
    - pantalaimon 6y ago
      Fuschia may be able to run Linux apps now, but Linux still has all the driver support. It will take years to re-create all that.
      - ognarb 6y ago
        And because the libux kernels are gpl, they can't even take a look at the linux implementation of the drivers when implementing fuchsia drivers.
anotheryou 6y ago
How does product management work at ubuntu? I mean, is there someone (or a group) with a coordinated plan or is it just random little steps in mostly right directions wherever someone finds the time to patch something? I just can't get warm with linux, even though I'd love to and it's still mostly drivers, what apps are available and how badly they run holding me back.
- ilogik 6y ago
  ubuntu was created and is maintained by a large company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_(company) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_(company)
  - anotheryou 6y ago
    Yes. I wonder if they have any kind of product people or how they are structured.
    - ilogik 6y ago
      Iit's a multi-million dollar company. I'm sure they're just winging it as they go along
- 29athrowaway 6y ago
  Canonical makes Ubuntu, and their work is based on an upstream distro, Debian. Their focus right now is providing a server distro with an emphasis on cloud, as well as selling support.
  - e12e 6y ago
    I think it's questionable if canonical has a clear "focus". They certainly do work on their server side (after years of focusing, and doing great work, on the desktop) - and like (evry?) Linux vendor they sell support and access to a live patch service. We do use Ubuntu a lot for desktop and servers - yet I'm not entirely sure why we would buy anything from canonical - beyond just to support the overall organization? I'd love to hear if anyone have war stories about canonical (or redhat, suse) support turning out to be a great investment? I must admit I'm a bit worried about the shift towards snap packages though - we might shift back to Debian on the server side.
ThePhysicist 6y ago
Linux might suck sometimes, but IMHO it sucks much less than Windows (MacOS I can't say because I never really used it). I'm running Kubuntu 20.04 right now on a Thinkpad T490, and everything except the fingerprint sensor (which I never use anyway) just works out of the box. I find the UI looks absolutely great and more polished than Windows 10, everything is really snappy and responsive and there are a ton of great open-source productivity apps I can choose from (Krita, Dolphin, Konsole, ...). I'm still blown away of how good an operating system can be that is being developed mostly by volunteers without any central authority. 10 years ago Windows might have been on top of desktop Linux, but the progress that window managers like Gnome and KDE have made since then is significant, while Windows seems to be stuck in 2010 design-wise.
- andrejserafim 6y ago
  Same here. Love it! Switched the missus as well. Since it easier to have a homogenous set of machines. She's as non-technical as they come. But browsers work the same. So she hardly noticed. Most modern casual usage is on the web anyways. And for advanced things I haven't yet found a thing I couldn't easily do.
- kingkongjaffa 6y ago
  Interesting take. I haven't spent enough time in Gnome or KDE to really know. What things/features do you enjoy about them, that are missing from windows 10?
  - ThePhysicist 6y ago
    Hard to say, as a power user I of course enjoy having all the great tooling below the surface, like a proper shell and the ability to easily run all kinds of services like databases. Having a package manager like apt is also great, as most software can be installed/uninstalled/upgraded with a single command. Regarding the UI: The KDE UI is just very discreet and doesn't get in the way, and there are a ton of small productivity features that are really handy (multiple workspaces, mouse and keyboard gestures, widgets, highly configurable panels, different themes etc.). Windows feels quite limited and slow in comparison (I also run it on the laptop for things like gaming and Powerpoint), sometimes e.g. the explorer will take several seconds to open and the UI can be sluggish without reason. I think Windows 10 was really innovative and great when it came out, it didn't improve much since then IMHO. On the other hand, Linux WMs like KDE or Gnome constantly evolve and get better since they are not governed by a central authority that needs to worry about commercial interests.
29athrowaway 6y ago
What is the plan for Fuchsia? A kernel for a mobile operating system? Or a general purpose kernel? Will Google migrate all their server software to Fuchsia? I am not too convinced that's their idea, isn't it?
- rvz 6y ago
  > What is the plan for Fuchsia? A kernel for a mobile operating system? Or a general purpose kernel? Both. An entire OS that replaces ChromeOS and Android. Zircon as the kernel instead of Linux and Fuchsia as the whole OS. > Will Google migrate all their server software to Fuchsia? I am not too convinced that's their idea, isn't it? If they can get Zircon optimised on their own Google silicon then it maybe possible. But who knows.
  - 29athrowaway 6y ago
    It is my understanding that most of Google's services run on a Linux fork, which they keep rebasing and ocassionally some of their changes get mainlined. Will Google move everything to Fuchsia/Zircon? Very unlikely. I think Linux will continue to be the de-facto OS for servers. That's what people know how to use and work with. FreeBSD is cool too, but much less popular. If Linux goes away, we can use FreeBSD or Hurd. But it won't go away.
laurent92 6y ago
He talks about SJWs attacking Linus Torvald and (successfully) cornering him into feeling guilty and leaving. It seems to currently be the best way to destroy a competitor: Attack him on SJW grounds. Same technique was used against Julian Assange, the accusation was on, then off, then on, then off bow that he’s jailed. Convenient! For our freedom, we should fight this. Crimes should be pursued penally, and proven. Not pursued by a crowd of mobsters. This is #1 danger to our freedom. I have funding allocated for open-source in my company. My only requirement is: - Either don’t have an ethics policy, - Either, if one is present, it must explicitly say that Whites and men should not be discriminated against. So far, we have allocated 0% of our pool. All of Debian, Postgresql, Apache and similar have programs specifically targeted at Black people, while no effort is made in non-discrimination. This has to end. Linus Torvalds is white, and discriminating against Whites is the best way to end up with Windows, Amazon Aurora and license fees for every library we use. Attacks against Whites have to stop.
- eru 6y ago
  > Crimes should be pursued penally, and proven. You might find this article interesting: https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4154&context=uclrev https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?arti...
ehnto 6y ago
There's some weight to some of this for sure. I don't think using past history and longevity of OSes makes much sense though. There's just not enough data, and Linux also fills a very specific niche that is decidedly not filled by the other leading OSes, which gives it the market robustness it has seen so far I feel. To replace it, you would need to fill it's shoes, because it is entrenched in user land and some very big commercial industries. Maybe that day will come, but I don't even see a competitor lurking in the waters yet, so I don't think it will be soon.
vonwoodson 6y ago
For those that don’t understand: Brian Lunduke does a version of this speech every year. It’s supposed to be a light hearted jab at the GNU/Linux system and community. and “sucks” as a technical term means “fails to meet expectations” and does not mean “is bad”
- blfr 6y ago
  Yeah, once it was even a two-parter: why Linux sucks, and why Linux rocks. I can't find it right now. Although to be fair, the newer editions are quite a bit more pessimistic.
- turbinerneiter 6y ago
  It's an important thing to do. We have to criticize our favourite system and push to make it better. Being on the defense against FUD and advocating for our system makes it a bit harder to do that, so outlets like this are key.
christophilus 6y ago
Linux probably won’t last forever, but I will wager a lot of money that a Google OS won’t be its replacement. Also, Pop!_OS, despite the clumsy name, is the best OS I’ve used. I was Windows only for 20 years, Mac for 5, and Pop only recently, so I’m probably still in the honeymoon phase. But if you like keyboard-friendly desktops that are still easy for non power users, Pop is really quite good.
- Darmody 6y ago
  Pop_OS is amazing. They saw a chunk of Ubuntu users that didn't like where Ubuntu is heading and decided to step in and give them and alternative. They did no disappoint.
dsego 6y ago
Both linux and windows seem to be stagnating. Windows died when they decided to stop making new versions. How can you innovate without scrapping the old stuff? Linux was always a mishmash of poor and top notch things cobbled together. At least windows had some coherent design philosophy but that's not the case anymore. It's like they have just given up.
- ChrisSD 6y ago
  Windows brings out a new version every six months. This is a much faster rate of development than the old "every three years" or more.
  - dsego 6y ago
    It's not a new version if they keep the old cruft and just pile on new code. I mean a real new version built from the ground up.
    - ChrisSD 6y ago
      They've never really done a real new version built from the ground up. Well not since Windows NT (in 1993) and Windows 95. I guess you could argue that Vista was a big overhaul but that took a long time and was still NT. The Windows 10 way is more like OS X or Ubuntu with incremental changes over time. And they do remove or replace things in new Windows versions. They even tried removing Paint but that got a lot of push back from people. Sometimes they only remove things for new installs but other times they replace things for everyone, like the screenshot tool or Edge with Chromium based Edge.
- herodoturtle 6y ago
  Which distro(s) of Linux have you been using that you find it to be stagnating? My experience has been the complete opposite.
  - dsego 6y ago
    I can't really understand the obsession with distros, they all still use pretty much the same packages and few different desktop environments. Most likely if some piece of hardware won't work on one distro it won't work on others. If a nice tool/app exists on one distro you can find it for others. And Gimp is still sh*t on all of them. There is barely any new software and there hasn't been for the last decade or so. Apart from programming tools and command-line stuff. But desktop computing seems to be stuck in the 2000s in general.
SunlightEdge 6y ago
Honestly the problem is windows sucks way more. I have Linux (Ubuntu) and window on my laptop and I shudder when I have to use Windows. Windows is so damn slow! I'm just shocked at how long it can take to do the most basic tasks on windows. If Excel and Word were on Linux I would never use Windows again. The Linux alternatives (especially for Excel) are not up to scratch. Am liking Google sheets and docs more and more.
- dsego 6y ago
  I share the sentiment. It always surprises how windows is sometimes even more shoddy in some ways. The software ecosystem isn't even that much better, unlike the Mac.
throw_away892 6y ago
After using a Linux distro as my main desktop OS, there was no way I was ever going back to the monstrosity that is Windows. No matter how bad Linux sucks in some regards, it is the black sheep of the family that will always have that special place in my heart. Any program that is Windows only, will be run on a VM. I like my systems clean, focused, lightweight & minimal.
0dayz 6y ago
I'm personally not that worried about Fuchsia, OS adaptation is hard work for established fields and for fushia it would ve no exceptions. Not to mention, that linux greatest strength is random people contributing to the kernel to get linux to work. Only in young/new fields would I be worried fuchsia will get the lead and hobbyists will follow. But then again Google's os could fail similarly to stadia.
gonzo41 6y ago
I think he's wrong. I think this is like when everyone predicted Web Assembly would take over the world. There's something to be said about being able to fiddle with everything and anything on both a server, and a desktop. Android is pretty much closed, same for mac and windows. Linux gives you a lot of freedom. I don't see desktop Linux really ever having a large market share, but I do expect that there will be a thinning of options. His points about maintenance of large projects is valid. But it is how new solutions get built. I'm surprised that AWS hasn't busted into the Linux space to put pressure on the other cloud competitors.
peatmoss 6y ago
I think there’s too much corporate dependence on Linux for it to go away. There may be a tragedy of the commons where companies dependent on Linux fail to invest enough in it to keep it thriving. And corporate purposes may not align with hobbyist purposes, but I think Linux will persist as more than a zombie. I’m somewhat more worried about the maintainability and churn of the ecosystem built up around Linux. The video mentioned OpenBSD a couple of times. OpenBSD shoulders a disproportionate share of the burden in maintaining important infrastructure. Take a look at all the spinoff projects OpenBSD is responsible for, feel queasy, and then write them a check. They make a pretty great OS too ;-)
jiggytom 6y ago
If this is your first time checking out Odysee and LBRY, welcome! First 10 replies with your LBC address (with account history on hm) get some additional LBC!
arvigeus 6y ago
Honestly I use Linux for the same reason people use Windows: out of familiarity. But progressively my experience is getting so bad that I am strongly considering Windows with WSL. Example: My wifi drops occasionally. Enough to be super annoying. It used to work well, some update years ago skrewed it up. Another example from today: Launching Steam bricks my system. No, I don't mean "Steam crashes". Not even "my DE crashes". My whole system freezes, and after hard reset it cannot load. Something something skrews config royally. I am so tired of spending my weekends trying to find out what is wrong with my system now, instead of relaxing.
- throw_away892 6y ago
  Ouch. I can relate to a bit of some of your issues. What saved me from all these seemingly mysterious bugs is going with a pure Arch system. I was using Manjaro at the time and it wasn't fun patching it just so that it could break on the next system upgrade. I digress, in my experience, whole system freezes usually points to system running out of ram and/or swap to fallback on. Might be worth checking out zram. Though this admittedly is a problem the Linux kernel has had for the longest time.
MaxBarraclough 6y ago
Weak sauce. I remember enjoying his talk last year, this is pretty disappointing. All his evidence that Linux is dying seems flimsy. • RMS has been sidelined. That was because of RMS-specific reasons, not some grand conspiracy against FOSS. • ESR has been sidelined. That was because of ESR-specific reasons, not some grand conspiracy against FOSS. • I'm optimistic the FSF and OSI will get by fine without them. This at least seems like a possibility worth acknowledging. • He seems to assert that if the kernel's complexity continues to bloat out of control, the whole project will be doomed to eventually stall and implode. That doesn't seem likely. If the complexity gets unmanageable, I imagine they'd make radical changes, or perhaps we could even see major forks, rather than Linux collapsing entirely like the fall of Rome. edit Or did Rome fork? Perhaps not a great analogy. • In-person conferences are down, on account of a global pandemic. So? He asserts there's no way they'll return after the pandemic, but this is baseless. Even if the organisations that run these events are in trouble, if the demand is there then new ones will arise. There weren't always Linux events, after all. • No operating system lasts forever. That doesn't seem right empirically. We've had Linux and Windows dominating for a long time. He acknowledges that operating systems evolve, but I don't think that's enough. • He doesn't seem to have any real prediction about the future, beyond the Linux kernel specifically will no longer be dominant. Why would we expect Haiku or the BSDs to overtake the Linux kernel? I still can't quite believe he applauded people for breaking lockdown rules to hold small-scale Linux conferences.

45 points by blfr 6y ago

Copenjin 6y ago

Never heard of this alternative video platform before, interesting.

spurgu 6y ago
Yeah it gives off some nice first impressions! These popped out immediately: - Keyboard controls to skip forward/reverse with arrow keys, pause with space - Video speed adjustment - Threaded comments Edit: Critique for the infinite scrolling for comments. Makes it insanely annoying to reach the footer for some information about the site.
- tomcooks 6y ago
  Agree on the infinite scrolling being generally bad, especially on comments. Same goes for the obnoxious "more" tiny links that obscure half of the content for no reason
  - spurgu 6y ago
    Yeah, given that browsers have already loaded the content anyways. Suppose it's for tracking who actually reads past the intro paragraph.
ehnto 6y ago
It's a pretty interesting platform, (may have been called LBRY before?: https://lbry.com/faq/what-is-lbry https://lbry.com/faq/what-is-lbry > First and foremost, LBRY is a new protocol that allows anyone to build apps that interact with digital content on the LBRY network. Apps built using the protocol allow creators to upload their work to the LBRY network of hosts (like BitTorrent), to set a price per stream or download (like iTunes) or give it away for free (like YouTube without ads). The work you publish could be videos, audio files, documents, or any other type of file.
MaxBarraclough 6y ago
LBRY works nicely, but hasn't got a lot of traction. Haven't seen it crop up much since last year's Linux Sucks 2020 video. Incidentally, from Firefox I can right click the video > Save Video As... and I can download the video to watch later. Was surprised to see there doesn't seem to be a download button anywhere on the page, though.

brimstedt 6y ago

Off topic, but personally I enjoy written blogs to vlogs, since you can then easily skim through and see if there is any real content. I'd love read the tldr

chronial 6y ago
Same here, but you can just skip through the video and look at the slides. There's not that many and they summarize his points quite succinctly.
- hkt 6y ago
  Does that put it into the category of "didn't need to be a vlog" or should I watch anyway?
pantalaimon 6y ago
tl;dw: - rms and esr are ousted - no community events due to COVID - IBM bought Red Hat - More companies are contributing to Linux than ever - Google is developing Fuchsia - Other OSes didn't last forever either Yea, there is really not much to it.
- chewxy 6y ago
  His argument on Fuschia is worth listening to tho. But the rest, yeah, pretty meh
  - pantalaimon 6y ago
    Fuschia may be able to run Linux apps now, but Linux still has all the driver support. It will take years to re-create all that.
    - ognarb 6y ago
      And because the libux kernels are gpl, they can't even take a look at the linux implementation of the drivers when implementing fuchsia drivers.

anotheryou 6y ago

How does product management work at ubuntu? I mean, is there someone (or a group) with a coordinated plan or is it just random little steps in mostly right directions wherever someone finds the time to patch something? I just can't get warm with linux, even though I'd love to and it's still mostly drivers, what apps are available and how badly they run holding me back.

ilogik 6y ago
ubuntu was created and is maintained by a large company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_(company) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_(company)
- anotheryou 6y ago
  Yes. I wonder if they have any kind of product people or how they are structured.
  - ilogik 6y ago
    Iit's a multi-million dollar company. I'm sure they're just winging it as they go along
29athrowaway 6y ago
Canonical makes Ubuntu, and their work is based on an upstream distro, Debian. Their focus right now is providing a server distro with an emphasis on cloud, as well as selling support.
- e12e 6y ago
  I think it's questionable if canonical has a clear "focus". They certainly do work on their server side (after years of focusing, and doing great work, on the desktop) - and like (evry?) Linux vendor they sell support and access to a live patch service. We do use Ubuntu a lot for desktop and servers - yet I'm not entirely sure why we would buy anything from canonical - beyond just to support the overall organization? I'd love to hear if anyone have war stories about canonical (or redhat, suse) support turning out to be a great investment? I must admit I'm a bit worried about the shift towards snap packages though - we might shift back to Debian on the server side.

ThePhysicist 6y ago

Linux might suck sometimes, but IMHO it sucks much less than Windows (MacOS I can't say because I never really used it). I'm running Kubuntu 20.04 right now on a Thinkpad T490, and everything except the fingerprint sensor (which I never use anyway) just works out of the box. I find the UI looks absolutely great and more polished than Windows 10, everything is really snappy and responsive and there are a ton of great open-source productivity apps I can choose from (Krita, Dolphin, Konsole, ...). I'm still blown away of how good an operating system can be that is being developed mostly by volunteers without any central authority. 10 years ago Windows might have been on top of desktop Linux, but the progress that window managers like Gnome and KDE have made since then is significant, while Windows seems to be stuck in 2010 design-wise.

andrejserafim 6y ago
Same here. Love it! Switched the missus as well. Since it easier to have a homogenous set of machines. She's as non-technical as they come. But browsers work the same. So she hardly noticed. Most modern casual usage is on the web anyways. And for advanced things I haven't yet found a thing I couldn't easily do.
kingkongjaffa 6y ago
Interesting take. I haven't spent enough time in Gnome or KDE to really know. What things/features do you enjoy about them, that are missing from windows 10?
- ThePhysicist 6y ago
  Hard to say, as a power user I of course enjoy having all the great tooling below the surface, like a proper shell and the ability to easily run all kinds of services like databases. Having a package manager like apt is also great, as most software can be installed/uninstalled/upgraded with a single command. Regarding the UI: The KDE UI is just very discreet and doesn't get in the way, and there are a ton of small productivity features that are really handy (multiple workspaces, mouse and keyboard gestures, widgets, highly configurable panels, different themes etc.). Windows feels quite limited and slow in comparison (I also run it on the laptop for things like gaming and Powerpoint), sometimes e.g. the explorer will take several seconds to open and the UI can be sluggish without reason. I think Windows 10 was really innovative and great when it came out, it didn't improve much since then IMHO. On the other hand, Linux WMs like KDE or Gnome constantly evolve and get better since they are not governed by a central authority that needs to worry about commercial interests.

29athrowaway 6y ago

What is the plan for Fuchsia? A kernel for a mobile operating system? Or a general purpose kernel? Will Google migrate all their server software to Fuchsia? I am not too convinced that's their idea, isn't it?

rvz 6y ago
> What is the plan for Fuchsia? A kernel for a mobile operating system? Or a general purpose kernel? Both. An entire OS that replaces ChromeOS and Android. Zircon as the kernel instead of Linux and Fuchsia as the whole OS. > Will Google migrate all their server software to Fuchsia? I am not too convinced that's their idea, isn't it? If they can get Zircon optimised on their own Google silicon then it maybe possible. But who knows.
- 29athrowaway 6y ago
  It is my understanding that most of Google's services run on a Linux fork, which they keep rebasing and ocassionally some of their changes get mainlined. Will Google move everything to Fuchsia/Zircon? Very unlikely. I think Linux will continue to be the de-facto OS for servers. That's what people know how to use and work with. FreeBSD is cool too, but much less popular. If Linux goes away, we can use FreeBSD or Hurd. But it won't go away.

laurent92 6y ago

He talks about SJWs attacking Linus Torvald and (successfully) cornering him into feeling guilty and leaving. It seems to currently be the best way to destroy a competitor: Attack him on SJW grounds. Same technique was used against Julian Assange, the accusation was on, then off, then on, then off bow that he’s jailed. Convenient! For our freedom, we should fight this. Crimes should be pursued penally, and proven. Not pursued by a crowd of mobsters. This is #1 danger to our freedom. I have funding allocated for open-source in my company. My only requirement is: - Either don’t have an ethics policy, - Either, if one is present, it must explicitly say that Whites and men should not be discriminated against. So far, we have allocated 0% of our pool. All of Debian, Postgresql, Apache and similar have programs specifically targeted at Black people, while no effort is made in non-discrimination. This has to end. Linus Torvalds is white, and discriminating against Whites is the best way to end up with Windows, Amazon Aurora and license fees for every library we use. Attacks against Whites have to stop.

eru 6y ago
> Crimes should be pursued penally, and proven. You might find this article interesting: https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4154&context=uclrev https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?arti...

ehnto 6y ago

There's some weight to some of this for sure. I don't think using past history and longevity of OSes makes much sense though. There's just not enough data, and Linux also fills a very specific niche that is decidedly not filled by the other leading OSes, which gives it the market robustness it has seen so far I feel. To replace it, you would need to fill it's shoes, because it is entrenched in user land and some very big commercial industries. Maybe that day will come, but I don't even see a competitor lurking in the waters yet, so I don't think it will be soon.

vonwoodson 6y ago

For those that don’t understand: Brian Lunduke does a version of this speech every year. It’s supposed to be a light hearted jab at the GNU/Linux system and community. and “sucks” as a technical term means “fails to meet expectations” and does not mean “is bad”

blfr 6y ago
Yeah, once it was even a two-parter: why Linux sucks, and why Linux rocks. I can't find it right now. Although to be fair, the newer editions are quite a bit more pessimistic.
turbinerneiter 6y ago
It's an important thing to do. We have to criticize our favourite system and push to make it better. Being on the defense against FUD and advocating for our system makes it a bit harder to do that, so outlets like this are key.

christophilus 6y ago

Linux probably won’t last forever, but I will wager a lot of money that a Google OS won’t be its replacement. Also, Pop!_OS, despite the clumsy name, is the best OS I’ve used. I was Windows only for 20 years, Mac for 5, and Pop only recently, so I’m probably still in the honeymoon phase. But if you like keyboard-friendly desktops that are still easy for non power users, Pop is really quite good.

Darmody 6y ago
Pop_OS is amazing. They saw a chunk of Ubuntu users that didn't like where Ubuntu is heading and decided to step in and give them and alternative. They did no disappoint.

dsego 6y ago

Both linux and windows seem to be stagnating. Windows died when they decided to stop making new versions. How can you innovate without scrapping the old stuff? Linux was always a mishmash of poor and top notch things cobbled together. At least windows had some coherent design philosophy but that's not the case anymore. It's like they have just given up.

ChrisSD 6y ago
Windows brings out a new version every six months. This is a much faster rate of development than the old "every three years" or more.
- dsego 6y ago
  It's not a new version if they keep the old cruft and just pile on new code. I mean a real new version built from the ground up.
  - ChrisSD 6y ago
    They've never really done a real new version built from the ground up. Well not since Windows NT (in 1993) and Windows 95. I guess you could argue that Vista was a big overhaul but that took a long time and was still NT. The Windows 10 way is more like OS X or Ubuntu with incremental changes over time. And they do remove or replace things in new Windows versions. They even tried removing Paint but that got a lot of push back from people. Sometimes they only remove things for new installs but other times they replace things for everyone, like the screenshot tool or Edge with Chromium based Edge.
herodoturtle 6y ago
Which distro(s) of Linux have you been using that you find it to be stagnating? My experience has been the complete opposite.
- dsego 6y ago
  I can't really understand the obsession with distros, they all still use pretty much the same packages and few different desktop environments. Most likely if some piece of hardware won't work on one distro it won't work on others. If a nice tool/app exists on one distro you can find it for others. And Gimp is still sh*t on all of them. There is barely any new software and there hasn't been for the last decade or so. Apart from programming tools and command-line stuff. But desktop computing seems to be stuck in the 2000s in general.

SunlightEdge 6y ago

Honestly the problem is windows sucks way more. I have Linux (Ubuntu) and window on my laptop and I shudder when I have to use Windows. Windows is so damn slow! I'm just shocked at how long it can take to do the most basic tasks on windows. If Excel and Word were on Linux I would never use Windows again. The Linux alternatives (especially for Excel) are not up to scratch. Am liking Google sheets and docs more and more.

dsego 6y ago
I share the sentiment. It always surprises how windows is sometimes even more shoddy in some ways. The software ecosystem isn't even that much better, unlike the Mac.

throw_away892 6y ago

After using a Linux distro as my main desktop OS, there was no way I was ever going back to the monstrosity that is Windows. No matter how bad Linux sucks in some regards, it is the black sheep of the family that will always have that special place in my heart. Any program that is Windows only, will be run on a VM. I like my systems clean, focused, lightweight & minimal.

0dayz 6y ago

I'm personally not that worried about Fuchsia, OS adaptation is hard work for established fields and for fushia it would ve no exceptions. Not to mention, that linux greatest strength is random people contributing to the kernel to get linux to work. Only in young/new fields would I be worried fuchsia will get the lead and hobbyists will follow. But then again Google's os could fail similarly to stadia.

gonzo41 6y ago

I think he's wrong. I think this is like when everyone predicted Web Assembly would take over the world. There's something to be said about being able to fiddle with everything and anything on both a server, and a desktop. Android is pretty much closed, same for mac and windows. Linux gives you a lot of freedom. I don't see desktop Linux really ever having a large market share, but I do expect that there will be a thinning of options. His points about maintenance of large projects is valid. But it is how new solutions get built. I'm surprised that AWS hasn't busted into the Linux space to put pressure on the other cloud competitors.

peatmoss 6y ago

I think there’s too much corporate dependence on Linux for it to go away. There may be a tragedy of the commons where companies dependent on Linux fail to invest enough in it to keep it thriving. And corporate purposes may not align with hobbyist purposes, but I think Linux will persist as more than a zombie. I’m somewhat more worried about the maintainability and churn of the ecosystem built up around Linux. The video mentioned OpenBSD a couple of times. OpenBSD shoulders a disproportionate share of the burden in maintaining important infrastructure. Take a look at all the spinoff projects OpenBSD is responsible for, feel queasy, and then write them a check. They make a pretty great OS too ;-)

jiggytom 6y ago

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arvigeus 6y ago

Honestly I use Linux for the same reason people use Windows: out of familiarity. But progressively my experience is getting so bad that I am strongly considering Windows with WSL. Example: My wifi drops occasionally. Enough to be super annoying. It used to work well, some update years ago skrewed it up. Another example from today: Launching Steam bricks my system. No, I don't mean "Steam crashes". Not even "my DE crashes". My whole system freezes, and after hard reset it cannot load. Something something skrews config royally. I am so tired of spending my weekends trying to find out what is wrong with my system now, instead of relaxing.

throw_away892 6y ago
Ouch. I can relate to a bit of some of your issues. What saved me from all these seemingly mysterious bugs is going with a pure Arch system. I was using Manjaro at the time and it wasn't fun patching it just so that it could break on the next system upgrade. I digress, in my experience, whole system freezes usually points to system running out of ram and/or swap to fallback on. Might be worth checking out zram. Though this admittedly is a problem the Linux kernel has had for the longest time.

MaxBarraclough 6y ago

Weak sauce. I remember enjoying his talk last year, this is pretty disappointing. All his evidence that Linux is dying seems flimsy. • RMS has been sidelined. That was because of RMS-specific reasons, not some grand conspiracy against FOSS. • ESR has been sidelined. That was because of ESR-specific reasons, not some grand conspiracy against FOSS. • I'm optimistic the FSF and OSI will get by fine without them. This at least seems like a possibility worth acknowledging. • He seems to assert that if the kernel's complexity continues to bloat out of control, the whole project will be doomed to eventually stall and implode. That doesn't seem likely. If the complexity gets unmanageable, I imagine they'd make radical changes, or perhaps we could even see major forks, rather than Linux collapsing entirely like the fall of Rome. edit Or did Rome fork? Perhaps not a great analogy. • In-person conferences are down, on account of a global pandemic. So? He asserts there's no way they'll return after the pandemic, but this is baseless. Even if the organisations that run these events are in trouble, if the demand is there then new ones will arise. There weren't always Linux events, after all. • No operating system lasts forever. That doesn't seem right empirically. We've had Linux and Windows dominating for a long time. He acknowledges that operating systems evolve, but I don't think that's enough. • He doesn't seem to have any real prediction about the future, beyond the Linux kernel specifically will no longer be dominant. Why would we expect Haiku or the BSDs to overtake the Linux kernel? I still can't quite believe he applauded people for breaking lockdown rules to hold small-scale Linux conferences.