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"almost a non-issue" doesn't sound very convincing to me. As someone who doesn't write GUIs often, I just don't want to have to worry about it at all. What's t

by ahepp 6y ago

"almost a non-issue" doesn't sound very convincing to me. As someone who doesn't write GUIs often, I just don't want to have to worry about it at all. What's the cost of electron over webviews? 100mb hdd space? On the other side of the trade, never having to worry about cross platform concerns again? Not having to support or test on multiple platforms? Seems like a no brainer to me. But it's entirely possible, even likely, that I'm putting too much faith in electron, or that there are better options I just don't know about.

norman784 6y ago
I really don’t share your point of view, but I understand it, for me feels like we as developers are getting worse and worse with the time, we get every year more powerful machines but our software is getting worse every year, who cares about performance if is cheap to develop, maybe if our apps uses less resources it would have less impact in the environment (less energy consumption is better for everyone, except for the lazy developers). I really hate electron apps, for example you have teams, that is written in electron, in linux is somehow better than the web version but is just way worse than the windows/mac versions, in web you can view 2 cams, linux 4 but in mac and windows you have more cams at the same time and also a lot of features that are missing in linux, so I don’t see too much the benefits of electron here, just pure laziness of microsoft not willing to invest in a better cross platform app.
- ahepp 6y ago
  I also hate electron apps, I refuse to install them on my personal machine, and use a(n independent) web browser. Efficient software is great, the cool parts of the projects I work on are efficient. In my case, the GUI doesn't need to scale in the same way, and I'm pretty confident the customer would rather have better cross platform support (at a lower cost than if we had to test a bunch of OS web views) than 100MB of their disk back. But yeah, there are plenty of examples of software I use where I disagree. Although this is often based on my aesthetic dislike for an inelegant system, than on any kind of resource constraint.
saagarjha 6y ago
> I just don't want to have to worry about it at all And in doing so you're prioritizing your needs over all of your users'. I think it's fair to claim that a minor convenience to you, at the cost of inconvenience to all your users, might be something you may want to deal with.
- ahepp 6y ago
  Actually it's the opposite. I know my users care more about cross platform support, or any other feature I could whip up, rather than 100MB HDD space.
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  - mst 6y ago
    I cordially dislike Electron apps, but once one factors in opportunity cost given limited developer manpower, the trade-off you're choosing to make here is quite likely entirely rational. I would prefer to live in a world where I didn't believe the last sentence to be true, but in the current world I still think it is :)

by ahepp 6y ago

norman784 6y ago

I really don’t share your point of view, but I understand it, for me feels like we as developers are getting worse and worse with the time, we get every year more powerful machines but our software is getting worse every year, who cares about performance if is cheap to develop, maybe if our apps uses less resources it would have less impact in the environment (less energy consumption is better for everyone, except for the lazy developers). I really hate electron apps, for example you have teams, that is written in electron, in linux is somehow better than the web version but is just way worse than the windows/mac versions, in web you can view 2 cams, linux 4 but in mac and windows you have more cams at the same time and also a lot of features that are missing in linux, so I don’t see too much the benefits of electron here, just pure laziness of microsoft not willing to invest in a better cross platform app.

ahepp 6y ago
I also hate electron apps, I refuse to install them on my personal machine, and use a(n independent) web browser. Efficient software is great, the cool parts of the projects I work on are efficient. In my case, the GUI doesn't need to scale in the same way, and I'm pretty confident the customer would rather have better cross platform support (at a lower cost than if we had to test a bunch of OS web views) than 100MB of their disk back. But yeah, there are plenty of examples of software I use where I disagree. Although this is often based on my aesthetic dislike for an inelegant system, than on any kind of resource constraint.

saagarjha 6y ago

> I just don't want to have to worry about it at all And in doing so you're prioritizing your needs over all of your users'. I think it's fair to claim that a minor convenience to you, at the cost of inconvenience to all your users, might be something you may want to deal with.

ahepp 6y ago
Actually it's the opposite. I know my users care more about cross platform support, or any other feature I could whip up, rather than 100MB HDD space.
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- mst 6y ago
  I cordially dislike Electron apps, but once one factors in opportunity cost given limited developer manpower, the trade-off you're choosing to make here is quite likely entirely rational. I would prefer to live in a world where I didn't believe the last sentence to be true, but in the current world I still think it is :)