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Maybe it's the rural setup where I'm from, but I'm glad that in 2020 and 2021 I barely visited bars. Summer was spent by lakes and forests, drinking beers, cock

Maybe it's the rural setup where I'm from, but I'm glad that in 2020 and 2021 I barely visited bars. Summer was spent by lakes and forests, drinking beers, cocktails, appetizers, and eating freshly grilled BBQ for a fraction of the price, having quality time in the sun with friends. I don't miss commercial society, I don't miss their tropes and their rituals. Fake friendship and banter from people hanging around to get some of my money in exchange of half a glass of ice and a dribble of liquor. Bonus annoyance this year: the eternal covid lamentations of bar and restaurant owners, as if governments purposely wanted to destroy their businesses, as if one's bar is more important than other people lives, as if they didn't paint themselves and their stupid restaurant for years as an example of entrepreneurship (apparently the free market is a good idea only when your business goes well). To hell with paid service, picnics and aperitivi in the main square with cheap liquor and (honestly) friendly smiles. "I command this dump to wither, board its doors and windows forever" as Dan Feeder says.

kungito 6y ago
Well it's easy to say this about summer but in the winter you have no options. It's too cold to hang out outside, play sports or whatever. You could hand out at each other's houses but people prefer to have neutral ground where no one has to prepare for everyone else
- 3np 6y ago
  In some countries, you're even forbidden from having visitors in your home.
  - tinus_hn 6y ago
    In some countries you get put in a concentration camp if your religion is the wrong one. Does that make it acceptable in your country?
    - 3np 6y ago
      ...I'm sorry, how's this relevant and what's your point?
      - tinus_hn 6y ago
        You appear to be arguing that restrictions aren’t a problem because in other countries they are worse.
        3np 6y ago
        I am not. I am saying some of us can't even invite friends over.
  - _uwiz 6y ago
    Yep, the UK went full authoritarian pretty much straight out of the gate, it's been illegal for me to have anyone in my house for 97 days now (and was also illegal or heavily restricted a number of times before that)
    - Nursie 6y ago
      > Yep, the UK went full authoritarian pretty much straight out of the gate We really didn't. Had we done that, we may have succeeded in controlling this thing. Instead what happened was too little, too late, over and over again the government shut the stable door after the horse bolted.
      - _uwiz 6y ago
        edit: Nah, I'd rather we go back in time and not normalize draconian, authoritarian restrictions on everyday life.
        Nursie 6y ago
        We closed things down too late, this is pretty well understood. The last lockdown was imposed when it was, essentially, because the powers that be wanted christmas retail open, and christmas day to happen, when cases were already massively on the rise. I'm not saying "it wasn't harsh enough", I'm saying that every time it's been done too late, and ramped up too slowly. It could have been shorter and well controlled had it been sooner, like it has been in other countries. There's no need to be so incivil. Perhaps think about your own words.
        _uwiz 6y ago
        edit: Nah, I'd rather we go back in time and not normalize draconian, authoritarian restrictions on everyday life.
        Nursie 6y ago
        No, I'm quite seriously talking about how it should have been done sooner, and if it had been, could have been shorter. I'm sorry you're so upset about this. It's not easy on any of us and it's been handled appallingly. But there really is no need to call someone that disagrees with you a "lockdown ####" and fantasise about violence upon them.
nicbou 6y ago
The bar was the meeting point, and the place where we closed the week. I met my friends there, and sometimes made new ones. You may not like bars and the fact that they exchange services for money, but that doesn't mean you don't have to show sympathy for people who are losing everything because of a force majeure.
leehuffman 6y ago
> Maybe it's the rural setup where I'm from Nah, it’s almost certainly (at least in this context) your privilege. I should hope that you’d never have your income, overnight, ganked out from under you. Not to mention the dozens of other hard working, honest humans on your payroll. I also hope nobody has the completely disconnected uppity spirit to post paragraphs of text telling you why you’re worthless, as you’re inhaling water and drowning. Because that would be shitty.
- globular-toast 6y ago
  Eh? Are you suggesting this site is for bar owners. You parent and probably everyone else is assuming the perspective of a bar patron.
  - corobo 6y ago
    You guys know people lost their jobs during the pandemic right?
    - leesalminen 6y ago
      No, they don’t know anyone outside of their tech bubble, so of course they don’t. As long as it doesn’t affect them, they don’t care.
    - globular-toast 6y ago
      Of course I do, but what does that have to do with this? Are you suggesting bar owners or workers will be on here seeking some kind of comfort? This is clearly for people that go to hang out in bars as customers.
      - deleted 6y ago
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      - jaywalk 6y ago
        So because those people probably aren't here, it's fine to demean them and act like all of the horrible things that have happened to them and their employees are actually GOOD THINGS because some people "got to" spend more time by lakes and forests? My tech job is very safe. My financial situation has not changed. But many of my friends own and work in bars and restaurants, and I have seen firsthand how their lives have been so negatively impacted by all of this. In all sincerity: go fuck yourself.
Aeolun 6y ago
> apparently the free market is a good idea only when your business goes well The free market is a (sort of) good idea when acts of god don’t interfere.
- tinus_hn 6y ago
  acts of government
_uwiz 6y ago
Maybe we should make your preferred hobbies illegal with strict enforcement. Fuck you, buddy.
- vultour 6y ago
  Yes, if they’re helping a deadly virus spread during a pandemic then go ahead. Except unlike you I’m going to accept that, because I don’t want to be stuck at home for another year while morons continue to spread the disease everywhere.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - cassalian 6y ago
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    - _uwiz 6y ago
      Thank you. I don't know what I have to say to explain this to these people. Maybe it's not quite explainable. Restrictions haven't pushed their buttons in the same way. The only way to get this across is to describe all of their needs disappearing. But it doesn't hit the same, and it seems petty. So it goes.
      - cassalian 6y ago
        I do not think it's easy to convey to someone what this last year has been like for a lot of people who live alone. As such, I can't really blame the crowd that pushes for more intense lockdown measures - their motives for doing so are generally good. Thankfully the vaccine is being distributed so I'm fairly confident this will all end soon
    - vultour 6y ago
      Yes, I understand how damaging this is for people who are alone. It's also the reason why I've been staying inside since march, to help get this whole thing behind us. Unfortunately some people just don't give a shit.
Nursie 6y ago
> having quality time in the sun with friends. Here in the UK we're not really even allowed to see friends outside.
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deadmetheny 6y ago
>Bonus annoyance this year: the eternal covid lamentations of bar and restaurant owners, as if governments purposely wanted to destroy their businesses, as if one's bar is more important than other people lives, as if they didn't paint themselves and their stupid restaurant for years as an example of entrepreneurship (apparently the free market is a good idea only when your business goes well). Fuck off into the sun. Of course people are going to lament when their jobs vanish and the business they built over years of hard work is in a very real danger of tanking. I should know, my food service business is down quite a bit - and we're one of the lucky ones that is doing well enough to stay afloat given that we had a strong takeaway focus even before the C-19 hit. An entire segment of jobs blown away - what do those people do? Shit like "learn to code" is not a helpful answer, and history suggests that what they do end up doing after a long enough period of hopelessness is not pretty.
toby 6y ago
> apparently the free market is a good idea only when your business goes well This statement is so confusing. Forcing millions of businesses which were previously legal to shutter under questionable authority is literally the opposite of a free market.

kungito 6y ago

Well it's easy to say this about summer but in the winter you have no options. It's too cold to hang out outside, play sports or whatever. You could hand out at each other's houses but people prefer to have neutral ground where no one has to prepare for everyone else

3np 6y ago
In some countries, you're even forbidden from having visitors in your home.
- tinus_hn 6y ago
  In some countries you get put in a concentration camp if your religion is the wrong one. Does that make it acceptable in your country?
  - 3np 6y ago
    ...I'm sorry, how's this relevant and what's your point?
    - tinus_hn 6y ago
      You appear to be arguing that restrictions aren’t a problem because in other countries they are worse.
      - 3np 6y ago
        I am not. I am saying some of us can't even invite friends over.
- _uwiz 6y ago
  Yep, the UK went full authoritarian pretty much straight out of the gate, it's been illegal for me to have anyone in my house for 97 days now (and was also illegal or heavily restricted a number of times before that)
  - Nursie 6y ago
    > Yep, the UK went full authoritarian pretty much straight out of the gate We really didn't. Had we done that, we may have succeeded in controlling this thing. Instead what happened was too little, too late, over and over again the government shut the stable door after the horse bolted.
    - _uwiz 6y ago
      edit: Nah, I'd rather we go back in time and not normalize draconian, authoritarian restrictions on everyday life.
      - Nursie 6y ago
        We closed things down too late, this is pretty well understood. The last lockdown was imposed when it was, essentially, because the powers that be wanted christmas retail open, and christmas day to happen, when cases were already massively on the rise. I'm not saying "it wasn't harsh enough", I'm saying that every time it's been done too late, and ramped up too slowly. It could have been shorter and well controlled had it been sooner, like it has been in other countries. There's no need to be so incivil. Perhaps think about your own words.
        _uwiz 6y ago
        edit: Nah, I'd rather we go back in time and not normalize draconian, authoritarian restrictions on everyday life.
        Nursie 6y ago
        No, I'm quite seriously talking about how it should have been done sooner, and if it had been, could have been shorter. I'm sorry you're so upset about this. It's not easy on any of us and it's been handled appallingly. But there really is no need to call someone that disagrees with you a "lockdown ####" and fantasise about violence upon them.

nicbou 6y ago

The bar was the meeting point, and the place where we closed the week. I met my friends there, and sometimes made new ones. You may not like bars and the fact that they exchange services for money, but that doesn't mean you don't have to show sympathy for people who are losing everything because of a force majeure.

leehuffman 6y ago

> Maybe it's the rural setup where I'm from Nah, it’s almost certainly (at least in this context) your privilege. I should hope that you’d never have your income, overnight, ganked out from under you. Not to mention the dozens of other hard working, honest humans on your payroll. I also hope nobody has the completely disconnected uppity spirit to post paragraphs of text telling you why you’re worthless, as you’re inhaling water and drowning. Because that would be shitty.

globular-toast 6y ago
Eh? Are you suggesting this site is for bar owners. You parent and probably everyone else is assuming the perspective of a bar patron.
- corobo 6y ago
  You guys know people lost their jobs during the pandemic right?
  - leesalminen 6y ago
    No, they don’t know anyone outside of their tech bubble, so of course they don’t. As long as it doesn’t affect them, they don’t care.
  - globular-toast 6y ago
    Of course I do, but what does that have to do with this? Are you suggesting bar owners or workers will be on here seeking some kind of comfort? This is clearly for people that go to hang out in bars as customers.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
    - jaywalk 6y ago
      So because those people probably aren't here, it's fine to demean them and act like all of the horrible things that have happened to them and their employees are actually GOOD THINGS because some people "got to" spend more time by lakes and forests? My tech job is very safe. My financial situation has not changed. But many of my friends own and work in bars and restaurants, and I have seen firsthand how their lives have been so negatively impacted by all of this. In all sincerity: go fuck yourself.

Aeolun 6y ago

> apparently the free market is a good idea only when your business goes well The free market is a (sort of) good idea when acts of god don’t interfere.

tinus_hn 6y ago
acts of government

_uwiz 6y ago

Maybe we should make your preferred hobbies illegal with strict enforcement. Fuck you, buddy.

vultour 6y ago
Yes, if they’re helping a deadly virus spread during a pandemic then go ahead. Except unlike you I’m going to accept that, because I don’t want to be stuck at home for another year while morons continue to spread the disease everywhere.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- cassalian 6y ago
  [edit]
  - _uwiz 6y ago
    Thank you. I don't know what I have to say to explain this to these people. Maybe it's not quite explainable. Restrictions haven't pushed their buttons in the same way. The only way to get this across is to describe all of their needs disappearing. But it doesn't hit the same, and it seems petty. So it goes.
    - cassalian 6y ago
      I do not think it's easy to convey to someone what this last year has been like for a lot of people who live alone. As such, I can't really blame the crowd that pushes for more intense lockdown measures - their motives for doing so are generally good. Thankfully the vaccine is being distributed so I'm fairly confident this will all end soon
  - vultour 6y ago
    Yes, I understand how damaging this is for people who are alone. It's also the reason why I've been staying inside since march, to help get this whole thing behind us. Unfortunately some people just don't give a shit.

Nursie 6y ago

> having quality time in the sun with friends. Here in the UK we're not really even allowed to see friends outside.

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deadmetheny 6y ago

>Bonus annoyance this year: the eternal covid lamentations of bar and restaurant owners, as if governments purposely wanted to destroy their businesses, as if one's bar is more important than other people lives, as if they didn't paint themselves and their stupid restaurant for years as an example of entrepreneurship (apparently the free market is a good idea only when your business goes well). Fuck off into the sun. Of course people are going to lament when their jobs vanish and the business they built over years of hard work is in a very real danger of tanking. I should know, my food service business is down quite a bit - and we're one of the lucky ones that is doing well enough to stay afloat given that we had a strong takeaway focus even before the C-19 hit. An entire segment of jobs blown away - what do those people do? Shit like "learn to code" is not a helpful answer, and history suggests that what they do end up doing after a long enough period of hopelessness is not pretty.

toby 6y ago

> apparently the free market is a good idea only when your business goes well This statement is so confusing. Forcing millions of businesses which were previously legal to shutter under questionable authority is literally the opposite of a free market.