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> Everyone is allowed to copy Stockfish/Leela and sell them, provided the terms of the Stockfish/Leela license are met. But don’t pretend that the product being

> Everyone is allowed to copy Stockfish/Leela and sell them, provided the terms of the Stockfish/Leela license are met. But don’t pretend that the product being sold is something it isn’t. What's the issue? Did OS contributors suddenly realize you can make money off software? They're upset at marketers doing marketing? Don't understand the downvotes. If they violated the terms of the license or did something illegal then sue, otherwise they're just whinging.

MaxBarraclough 6y ago
If a seller only gets sales because of the ignorance of their customers, it's a rip off. I'd be annoyed if my work was being used to rip people off, even if no licence terms or laws were being broken.
- deeeeplearning 6y ago
  Sounds like SOP for American business to me.
beermonster 6y ago
“It is sad to see claims of innovation where there has been none, and claims of improvement in an engine that is weaker than its open-source origins. It is also sad to see people appropriating the open-source work and effort of others and claiming it as their own.” These seem to be their main gripes
- runningmike 6y ago
  Sounds like a standard software company...
enneff 6y ago
They’re just letting the community know that they shouldn’t fall for the scam.
cycomanic 6y ago
Apart from the question of legality of removing copyright notices/changing authorship (which is definitely a copyright violation in some jurisdictions), there is more than just legality. One can (and most people do) condemn some actions even if they are technically legal.
orwin 6y ago
It's a scam (it doesn't even use the best version of stockfish, so much for "the best chess engine available"). Moreover, it infringe GPL. I would love if a country started enforcing GPL with huge fines. Company-destroying fines.
- gwd 6y ago
  The only people who can enforce the GPL are the people who own the copyright of the code infringed. They may be able to win huge fines, but (with some infamous exceptions) generally aim more for compliance than punishment.
- deeeeplearning 6y ago
  >It's a scam (it doesn't even use the best version of stockfish, so much for "the best chess engine available"). Have you used the internet or turned on a Tv in the last 20 years? Do you really think Dodge has "The Best Truck in the world" or that Verizon really has the "fastest 5g in America". This is marketing 101 for any business in the US.

MaxBarraclough 6y ago

If a seller only gets sales because of the ignorance of their customers, it's a rip off. I'd be annoyed if my work was being used to rip people off, even if no licence terms or laws were being broken.

deeeeplearning 6y ago
Sounds like SOP for American business to me.

beermonster 6y ago

“It is sad to see claims of innovation where there has been none, and claims of improvement in an engine that is weaker than its open-source origins. It is also sad to see people appropriating the open-source work and effort of others and claiming it as their own.” These seem to be their main gripes

runningmike 6y ago
Sounds like a standard software company...

enneff 6y ago

They’re just letting the community know that they shouldn’t fall for the scam.

cycomanic 6y ago

Apart from the question of legality of removing copyright notices/changing authorship (which is definitely a copyright violation in some jurisdictions), there is more than just legality. One can (and most people do) condemn some actions even if they are technically legal.

orwin 6y ago

It's a scam (it doesn't even use the best version of stockfish, so much for "the best chess engine available"). Moreover, it infringe GPL. I would love if a country started enforcing GPL with huge fines. Company-destroying fines.

gwd 6y ago
The only people who can enforce the GPL are the people who own the copyright of the code infringed. They may be able to win huge fines, but (with some infamous exceptions) generally aim more for compliance than punishment.
deeeeplearning 6y ago
>It's a scam (it doesn't even use the best version of stockfish, so much for "the best chess engine available"). Have you used the internet or turned on a Tv in the last 20 years? Do you really think Dodge has "The Best Truck in the world" or that Verizon really has the "fastest 5g in America". This is marketing 101 for any business in the US.