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I'm taking Facebook's side on this particular issue only (and I don't even like that, because they're - as you note - bad). I agree with all of the things you

by elyobo 6y ago

I'm taking Facebook's side on this particular issue only (and I don't even like that, because they're - as you note - bad). I agree with all of the things you want, but this isn't a tax on Google or Facebook (and we need more taxes on Google, Facebook, and their ilk that offshore profits to low tax locations), it's an attempt to tax links. This is a good read and worth your time - https://www.ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2021/2/17/paying-for-news https://www.ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2021/2/17/paying-for....

viraptor 6y ago
I was supporting general tax, not the google-news deal. We're in agreement :)
- Guthur 6y ago
  Tax will hurt you, it always does. You're at the bottom of the pile and so it will ultimately be push down to you in some fashion or other. Australia 2018: $559B US 2018: $3.33 trillion Why in God's name would give these idiots anymore money.
  - Nursie 6y ago
    Tax does not always hurt, or always hurt the poorest. It can shape markets to the benefit of the people, and it can provide for public works and infrastructure. There are definitely arguments about how much people should be taxed and what is done with the tax money, and the Australian tax revenue figure does seem massive compared to the US or UK (they do get better services for it, IMHO). But the sweeping idea that "tax bad" is silly.
    - Guthur 6y ago
      How is it silly to assume that giving unqualified morons the right to take money away from productive individuals is inherently dangerous. If the idea is to take away from someone just because they are successful that is very much silly. If you would like enforce a recompense for some transaction that can not be captured by the market then yes.
  - viraptor 6y ago
    > Why in God's name would give these idiots anymore money. I enjoy the public services I get and would like more of them available for everyone. > it will ultimately be push down to you in some fashion or other. Google / FB / ad services are the few companies where it's much less likely than elsewhere. Ad spend relies on profit it generates. If they raise ad prices, they'll lose some customers. There's no easy way for them to pass on any extra tax.
    - Guthur 6y ago
      Which public services, they're all pretty awful from my estimation that often times optimise for less that optimal outcomes.
      - viraptor 6y ago
        Unemployment and disability benefits, schools, hospitals and medicare, roads/transport. Could it be better managed? Sure. Would I prefer lower taxes and private companies taking those over? Never.
  - orwin 6y ago
    I've been to both countries, i'd say for anybody really at the bottom of the pile that Australia is at least ten times better, unless you live in a cabin in West virginia and go by the nearest piggy wiggly by horse. Then public services aren't that important if you don't intend to have kids, and the US is true freedom.
Guthur 6y ago
Why view it as taking FB side? It's really more why the hell has Newscorps got the Australian government as their bully man. It outrageous that they can so easily sway the government of a nation to play to their tune, that's what should worry everyone the most. Again and again it's the government, they can not avoid being manipulated by these larges corporations and so giving them more power to some how constrain said corporations is vain hope at best and plain stupidity at worse, we will just give them more power to be abused by said corporations.

by elyobo 6y ago

viraptor 6y ago

I was supporting general tax, not the google-news deal. We're in agreement :)

Guthur 6y ago
Tax will hurt you, it always does. You're at the bottom of the pile and so it will ultimately be push down to you in some fashion or other. Australia 2018: $559B US 2018: $3.33 trillion Why in God's name would give these idiots anymore money.
- Nursie 6y ago
  Tax does not always hurt, or always hurt the poorest. It can shape markets to the benefit of the people, and it can provide for public works and infrastructure. There are definitely arguments about how much people should be taxed and what is done with the tax money, and the Australian tax revenue figure does seem massive compared to the US or UK (they do get better services for it, IMHO). But the sweeping idea that "tax bad" is silly.
  - Guthur 6y ago
    How is it silly to assume that giving unqualified morons the right to take money away from productive individuals is inherently dangerous. If the idea is to take away from someone just because they are successful that is very much silly. If you would like enforce a recompense for some transaction that can not be captured by the market then yes.
- viraptor 6y ago
  > Why in God's name would give these idiots anymore money. I enjoy the public services I get and would like more of them available for everyone. > it will ultimately be push down to you in some fashion or other. Google / FB / ad services are the few companies where it's much less likely than elsewhere. Ad spend relies on profit it generates. If they raise ad prices, they'll lose some customers. There's no easy way for them to pass on any extra tax.
  - Guthur 6y ago
    Which public services, they're all pretty awful from my estimation that often times optimise for less that optimal outcomes.
    - viraptor 6y ago
      Unemployment and disability benefits, schools, hospitals and medicare, roads/transport. Could it be better managed? Sure. Would I prefer lower taxes and private companies taking those over? Never.
- orwin 6y ago
  I've been to both countries, i'd say for anybody really at the bottom of the pile that Australia is at least ten times better, unless you live in a cabin in West virginia and go by the nearest piggy wiggly by horse. Then public services aren't that important if you don't intend to have kids, and the US is true freedom.

Guthur 6y ago

Why view it as taking FB side? It's really more why the hell has Newscorps got the Australian government as their bully man. It outrageous that they can so easily sway the government of a nation to play to their tune, that's what should worry everyone the most. Again and again it's the government, they can not avoid being manipulated by these larges corporations and so giving them more power to some how constrain said corporations is vain hope at best and plain stupidity at worse, we will just give them more power to be abused by said corporations.