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> Germany, for example, has seen reliability increase massively as they shift towards more distributed renewables, even though it's not a super high penetration

> Germany, for example, has seen reliability increase massively as they shift towards more distributed renewables, even though it's not a super high penetration level. That’s a blatant lie. According to the Bundesnetzagentur which is the local regulator for the electricity grid, the number of times where they have to intervene on the electricity grid to stabilize it has dramatically increased due to the higher share of renewables: > https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/DE/Sachgebiete/ElektrizitaetundGas/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Versorgungssicherheit/Engpassmanagement/Redispatch/redispatch-node.html https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/DE/Sachgebiete/Elektrizitae... Germany’s energy sector causes 350 million tons of CO2 annually, 50 France’s just 50 million tons CO2 annually. > https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/ghg-emissions-by-sector?time=latest&country=~DEU https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/ghg-emissions-by-sector?t... > https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/ghg-emissions-by-sector?time=latest&country=~FRA https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/ghg-emissions-by-sector?t... The kWh in France costs 17 Euro Cents, while it costs over 31 Euro Cents in Germany. > https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/electricity_prices/ https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/electricity_prices/ France has 70% nuclear, Germany 50% renewables. I have no idea why some people on HN keep spreading such lies about nuclear and the so-called Energiewende in Germany. You should get your facts straight!

epistasis 6y ago
> That’s a blatant lie. I can't read your link, so I don't know what you mean by "intervene to stabilize," but that actually sounds like a good thing, since the German grid has the least amount of downtime of any of its neighbors and is far better than the US. Here's an IEEE article: https://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/the-smarter-grid/germanys-superstable-solarsoaked-grid https://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/the-smarter-grid... > Germany’s energy sector causes 350 million tons of CO2 annually, 50 France’s just 50 million tons CO2 annually. What is the relevance here? Germany has always burned lots of coal. Adding renewables, just like adding nuclear, reduces that. > The kWh in France costs 17 Euro Cents, while it costs over 31 Euro Cents in Germany. Again, what is the relevance here? Germany bought a ton of solar when it was super expensive, driving the industry forward and permanently lowering costs for everyone. It also charges residential consumers a lot more in order to subsidize industry. >I have no idea why some people on HN keep spreading such lies about nuclear and the so-called Energiewende in Germany. >You should get your facts straight! I would insist that you do the same. Misrepresentations and cherry picked bad numbers are not helpful or informative.
- kgabis 6y ago
  > What is the relevance here? Germany has always burned lots of coal. Adding renewables, just like adding nuclear, reduces that. Germany is closing nuclear plants and replacing them with gas plants. Guess which one emits more CO2.
imtringued 6y ago
Did you consider the future impact of CO2 pricing in Germany? Coal plants will shut down very soon and that will "surprisingly" make Germany look much better. After all, the strategy that is currently being pursued is very erratic. The emission reductions are not going to follow a smooth curve like the CO2 emissions in 2020 showed. It's very difficult to make sense of what is going to happen. An us vs them comparison might not show the whole picture. https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/gallery_image/public/german_ghg_emissions1990_2019_3.png?itok=H7TSWctG https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/g...

epistasis 6y ago

> That’s a blatant lie. I can't read your link, so I don't know what you mean by "intervene to stabilize," but that actually sounds like a good thing, since the German grid has the least amount of downtime of any of its neighbors and is far better than the US. Here's an IEEE article: https://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/the-smarter-grid/germanys-superstable-solarsoaked-grid https://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/the-smarter-grid... > Germany’s energy sector causes 350 million tons of CO2 annually, 50 France’s just 50 million tons CO2 annually. What is the relevance here? Germany has always burned lots of coal. Adding renewables, just like adding nuclear, reduces that. > The kWh in France costs 17 Euro Cents, while it costs over 31 Euro Cents in Germany. Again, what is the relevance here? Germany bought a ton of solar when it was super expensive, driving the industry forward and permanently lowering costs for everyone. It also charges residential consumers a lot more in order to subsidize industry. >I have no idea why some people on HN keep spreading such lies about nuclear and the so-called Energiewende in Germany. >You should get your facts straight! I would insist that you do the same. Misrepresentations and cherry picked bad numbers are not helpful or informative.

kgabis 6y ago
> What is the relevance here? Germany has always burned lots of coal. Adding renewables, just like adding nuclear, reduces that. Germany is closing nuclear plants and replacing them with gas plants. Guess which one emits more CO2.

imtringued 6y ago

Did you consider the future impact of CO2 pricing in Germany? Coal plants will shut down very soon and that will "surprisingly" make Germany look much better. After all, the strategy that is currently being pursued is very erratic. The emission reductions are not going to follow a smooth curve like the CO2 emissions in 2020 showed. It's very difficult to make sense of what is going to happen. An us vs them comparison might not show the whole picture. https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/gallery_image/public/german_ghg_emissions1990_2019_3.png?itok=H7TSWctG https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/g...