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Um, the harm is 30% more expensive apps. If devs can't avoid the cut, its only going to get passed down to the user.

by AttakBanana 6y ago

katbyte 6y ago
how is it 30% more expensive apps when the play store, ps4 store, xbox store all take the same amount?
- AttakBanana 6y ago
  Because all of them take a 30% cut (*some exceptions to certain apps apply) https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/10/07/report-steams-30-cut-is-actually-the-industry-standard https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/10/07/report-steams-30-cut... What I mean is, if Apple's cut was lesser / we had different app stores, prices could potentially be up to 30% lesser.
  - crysin 6y ago
    They'd be cutting themselves out of other stores if they did that. Stores like Steam require that your game is sold at the same price across all stores otherwise it will be removed from Steam.
    - AttakBanana 6y ago
      That is also a bad monopolistic practice we should be against. Apple isn't the only culprit.
ntsplnkv2 6y ago
Ahh so harm now is spending any money. I was harmed by my grocery store for charging me 1.50 for milk! 30% is more than fair. People spend more money on the App Store than competitors. Developers want access to that. it shouldn't be free.
- AttakBanana 6y ago
  This is dumb. I never said "any" money, you're just trying to justify your own opinion. Yes people spend more on the App Store and if the dev wants to use it to market their app they should go ahead and pay that 30%. However if the devs dont want to access that, and/or consumers want to pay lesser, they should have the option to download from elsewhere.
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nodamage 6y ago
Except in the real world when we see games offered in multiple places (e.g. Steam and the Epic Game Store) they are usually the same price. In other words, any savings from the developer cut is simply kept by the developer, not passed onto the consumer.
- slantyyz 6y ago
  > Except in the real world when we see games offered in multiple places (e.g. Steam and the Epic Game Store) they are usually the same price. Is that really true? Legitimate Steam keys are sold by stores other than Valve's Steam store, such as Humble Bundle, Green Man Gaming and Fanatical. I shop at multiple stores that sell Steam keys, and I would say that I only buy less than 1/3rd of my games from Steam directly, due to heavy discounts via bundling and other sales at various online game stores. I find that the alternate "Steam" stores have sales more often than the official Steam store does.
- AttakBanana 6y ago
  As someone mentioned in another comment, this is the result of yet another monopolistic practice, this time by Steam who requires your game to be priced the same in all stores else it will be removed from Steam. https://www.pcgamer.com/lawsuit-claims-valve-is-abusing-its-market-dominance-to-keep-prices-high/ https://www.pcgamer.com/lawsuit-claims-valve-is-abusing-its-...

Um, the harm is 30% more expensive apps. If devs can't avoid the cut, its only going to get passed down to the user.

katbyte 6y ago

how is it 30% more expensive apps when the play store, ps4 store, xbox store all take the same amount?

AttakBanana 6y ago
Because all of them take a 30% cut (*some exceptions to certain apps apply) https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/10/07/report-steams-30-cut-is-actually-the-industry-standard https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/10/07/report-steams-30-cut... What I mean is, if Apple's cut was lesser / we had different app stores, prices could potentially be up to 30% lesser.
- crysin 6y ago
  They'd be cutting themselves out of other stores if they did that. Stores like Steam require that your game is sold at the same price across all stores otherwise it will be removed from Steam.
  - AttakBanana 6y ago
    That is also a bad monopolistic practice we should be against. Apple isn't the only culprit.

ntsplnkv2 6y ago

Ahh so harm now is spending any money. I was harmed by my grocery store for charging me 1.50 for milk! 30% is more than fair. People spend more money on the App Store than competitors. Developers want access to that. it shouldn't be free.

AttakBanana 6y ago
This is dumb. I never said "any" money, you're just trying to justify your own opinion. Yes people spend more on the App Store and if the dev wants to use it to market their app they should go ahead and pay that 30%. However if the devs dont want to access that, and/or consumers want to pay lesser, they should have the option to download from elsewhere.
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nodamage 6y ago

Except in the real world when we see games offered in multiple places (e.g. Steam and the Epic Game Store) they are usually the same price. In other words, any savings from the developer cut is simply kept by the developer, not passed onto the consumer.

slantyyz 6y ago
> Except in the real world when we see games offered in multiple places (e.g. Steam and the Epic Game Store) they are usually the same price. Is that really true? Legitimate Steam keys are sold by stores other than Valve's Steam store, such as Humble Bundle, Green Man Gaming and Fanatical. I shop at multiple stores that sell Steam keys, and I would say that I only buy less than 1/3rd of my games from Steam directly, due to heavy discounts via bundling and other sales at various online game stores. I find that the alternate "Steam" stores have sales more often than the official Steam store does.
AttakBanana 6y ago
As someone mentioned in another comment, this is the result of yet another monopolistic practice, this time by Steam who requires your game to be priced the same in all stores else it will be removed from Steam. https://www.pcgamer.com/lawsuit-claims-valve-is-abusing-its-market-dominance-to-keep-prices-high/ https://www.pcgamer.com/lawsuit-claims-valve-is-abusing-its-...