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Use low paid jobs as a stepping stone to better paid jobs. You even mention your wife as formerly working three jobs, so apparently she doesn't anymore. I feel

Use low paid jobs as a stepping stone to better paid jobs. You even mention your wife as formerly working three jobs, so apparently she doesn't anymore. I feel this is a neglected aspect of wage discussions. It is normal that people start with lower wage jobs and work their way upwards, but age demographics are rarely reflected in the income distribution charts. Some work unfortunately needs to be done at ungodly hours, you can not simply kill off those jobs. Edit: since I can't post replies because of rate limiting. Sorry, but low paid jobs absolutely are stepping stones in many cases. For example people used to start while in school with delivering newspapers ("paper boy"). Many people have side jobs while completing their education. And while you work your three jobs, you can look for better jobs. You should, actually. They are stepping stones in that they help you survive until you find a better job. What jobs are the "work three jobs" variety anyway? I would expect you to be able to replace them with one "normal" job eventually, that is a normal job that pays a normal salary (even if it is a low salary). If that is not enough to sustain your lifestyle, what exactly is going on in your life? Where do the high costs come from? Maybe the OP could explain why his wife ended up working three jobs, and how she got out of it? As for ungodly hours, I don't think some people only working night shifts and others only day shifts is an option in general. Edit 2: how do you find a better job? The traditional way is asking around, checking job portals, considering to move to a place that has job offers, that kind of thing. I guess most of those people also have long commutes, so I wonder how well most job boards are adapted to mobile.

Cthulhu_ 6y ago
That's overly simplified; how are you going to get a better paid job if you have to work multiple dead-end jobs just to make it to the end of the month? You, and many others, do not understand poverty or living as the working poor, living paycheck to paycheck, etc.
ajmadesc 6y ago
This is nuts and absolutely _sadistic_. We live in an age of such overwhelming surplus there is no need for anyone to work multiple jobs. Have a read into the physical and mental effects of poverty, especially on children. Edit: also poverty is a trap, every thing is more expensive when you're poor.
- judgemcjudgy 6y ago
  If there is no need to work three jobs, as you claim, don't. New people constantly come into this world. They have to find their way in life. Not everything is set out for them right from the beginning. Yes, everything is more expensive when you are poor. That is why most people strive and work for not being poor. There are also different attitudes. Some people only have children when they feel they can provide for them (as in prevent them from having to work three jobs), others don't care. I'm not saying that those kids should just be left alone in their poverty, as it obviously isn't their own fault. But at the same time it is not the fault of the more responsible parents and their kids, either. The poor kids were not created by the rich people, they were created by poor people. In my opinion, it is all a bit more complicated than claiming there is so much surplus. Rich people existing also doesn't mean there exists an unlimited amount of stuff. Jeff Bezos owning a trillion dollars does not imply he could conjure food for a billion people out of thin air. Food still needs to be farmed by somebody, which is a chore.
- scatters 6y ago
  Many things are still scarce, sometimes artificially so. Case in point: housing, and also healthcare. Without fixing those you're just bidding up the cost of living.
- jamil7 6y ago
  The comment you're responding to looks like a troll account, created recently, I'd ignore it.
gjulianm 6y ago
> Use low paid jobs as a stepping stone to better paid jobs. This is a naive take. It's not a game where if you grind enough you get experience and your level increases. If you're working multiple jobs, I doubt your performance will be good enough to be the first in line for a promotion. You also won't have time and energy for an education that allows you a better job in a different industry. Probably won't even have money to pay for courses, nor to take time off and do something different. Not to mention that those situations are taxing on your body and mental health, putting you in a competitive disadvantage with other employees. Low wage jobs that don't pay enough to survive are not a stepping stone, they are a trap. It is also a drain on society: these jobs don't allow people to scale up the ladder, so the pool of workers in these jobs gets bigger and bigger, which in turn pushes wages further down. > Some work unfortunately needs to be done at ungodly hours The discussion is not about ungodly hours but about getting the necessary amount of sleep. You can work nights for 8h and have a decent sleep schedule. It's not optimal, of course, but it's very different from working two, three jobs and not having time to sleep.

Cthulhu_ 6y ago

That's overly simplified; how are you going to get a better paid job if you have to work multiple dead-end jobs just to make it to the end of the month? You, and many others, do not understand poverty or living as the working poor, living paycheck to paycheck, etc.

ajmadesc 6y ago

This is nuts and absolutely _sadistic_. We live in an age of such overwhelming surplus there is no need for anyone to work multiple jobs. Have a read into the physical and mental effects of poverty, especially on children. Edit: also poverty is a trap, every thing is more expensive when you're poor.

judgemcjudgy 6y ago
If there is no need to work three jobs, as you claim, don't. New people constantly come into this world. They have to find their way in life. Not everything is set out for them right from the beginning. Yes, everything is more expensive when you are poor. That is why most people strive and work for not being poor. There are also different attitudes. Some people only have children when they feel they can provide for them (as in prevent them from having to work three jobs), others don't care. I'm not saying that those kids should just be left alone in their poverty, as it obviously isn't their own fault. But at the same time it is not the fault of the more responsible parents and their kids, either. The poor kids were not created by the rich people, they were created by poor people. In my opinion, it is all a bit more complicated than claiming there is so much surplus. Rich people existing also doesn't mean there exists an unlimited amount of stuff. Jeff Bezos owning a trillion dollars does not imply he could conjure food for a billion people out of thin air. Food still needs to be farmed by somebody, which is a chore.
scatters 6y ago
Many things are still scarce, sometimes artificially so. Case in point: housing, and also healthcare. Without fixing those you're just bidding up the cost of living.
jamil7 6y ago
The comment you're responding to looks like a troll account, created recently, I'd ignore it.

gjulianm 6y ago

> Use low paid jobs as a stepping stone to better paid jobs. This is a naive take. It's not a game where if you grind enough you get experience and your level increases. If you're working multiple jobs, I doubt your performance will be good enough to be the first in line for a promotion. You also won't have time and energy for an education that allows you a better job in a different industry. Probably won't even have money to pay for courses, nor to take time off and do something different. Not to mention that those situations are taxing on your body and mental health, putting you in a competitive disadvantage with other employees. Low wage jobs that don't pay enough to survive are not a stepping stone, they are a trap. It is also a drain on society: these jobs don't allow people to scale up the ladder, so the pool of workers in these jobs gets bigger and bigger, which in turn pushes wages further down. > Some work unfortunately needs to be done at ungodly hours The discussion is not about ungodly hours but about getting the necessary amount of sleep. You can work nights for 8h and have a decent sleep schedule. It's not optimal, of course, but it's very different from working two, three jobs and not having time to sleep.