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It might be a good store of value (aside from its extreme volatility), but the GP comment would be correct if you substitute "medium of exchange" for "store of

It might be a good store of value (aside from its extreme volatility), but the GP comment would be correct if you substitute "medium of exchange" for "store of value".

trident5000 6y ago
Gold is short term volatile as well. Long term average is all that matters to be an effective value store. Its like a more volatile gold right now through price discovery.
- ori_b 6y ago
  Gold is also a poor place to put your money. The long term average is both volatile and underperforms most indexes. https://www.macrotrends.net/1333/historical-gold-prices-100-year-chart https://www.macrotrends.net/1333/historical-gold-prices-100-...
  - trident5000 6y ago
    Gold is not in price discovery because its been around for so long and already had its ETF moment (which is why its stagnated since that massive run). But gold has always performed cyclically. Long term (very long term) its done quite well. Not my cup of tea but it had its place. Going forward I expect btc will disrupt it and flip its value (JPM making the same call).
    - ori_b 6y ago
      Over the last 100 years, you'd have done significantly better by putting your money into an index fund -- and had less volatility. As far as I can tell, gold is just a lousy place to keep your money. What kind of long term are you talking about?
      - TuringNYC 6y ago
        I agree with you in theory. However, over the course of 100yrs you also need to worry about entire countries disappearing. If your index fund is denominated in the wrong currency, held by the wrong custodian, or has too many companies based in falling countries, you might be in trouble. Meanwhile, Gold has survived a thousand generations. In a hundred years, there can be wars, reparations, and lots of damage to equity. I think some distinction should be made on store of value (win for gold) vs asset appreciation (win for stocks), especially once you start talking about 100years.
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        lupire 6y ago
        When your country collapses, you tend to find practical matters that make gold a poor store of value, unless you dissolve your gold bars in acid when the war starts.
      - Consultant32452 6y ago
        My impression is gold is largely seen as a low risk inflation hedge rather than a growth investment. A better comparison would be a savings account or maybe municipal bonds.
      - the_giraffe 6y ago
        Did index funds exist 100 years ago? I'm pretty sure passive investing is a more recent phenomenon.
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        imtringued 6y ago
        >In 1926, it developed a 90-stock index, computed daily. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%26P_500#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%26P_500#History This is just a technicality however. In practice you have to buy stocks according to the index yourself or invest into a fund that mirrors the index for you. The secret sauce in ETFs is that algorithms do the work of the fund manager and thus reduce costs.
    - anonu 6y ago
      Price discovery happens constantly and continuously. It's supply and demand.
  - benibela 6y ago
    Perhaps that means gold is now cheaper than the index and thus will perform better than the index? Germany has weird taxes. There there is a 25% tax on stock market returns. But no tax on gold sales. Nor on Bitcoin sales. Although silver is taxed.
- llamataboot 6y ago
  Gold has stored value for a little bit longer than bitcoin, and the volatility isn't really even within orders of the same magnitude.
- imtringued 6y ago
  Bitcoin is mostly littered with bubbles and a hidden deflationary trend. Right now the 300% gains are just part of a bubble that is going to pop but Bitcoin will recover to a fraction of that, however that fraction is still higher than it started off. The long term gains per year are much smaller than the bubble gains. I wish people would stop "bubbling" Bitcoin and actually look at the long term trend like people do for stocks. At least I hope people research their stocks and ignore the last 2 years of gains when analyzing a stock or index fund.

It might be a good store of value (aside from its extreme volatility), but the GP comment would be correct if you substitute "medium of exchange" for "store of value".

trident5000 6y ago

Gold is short term volatile as well. Long term average is all that matters to be an effective value store. Its like a more volatile gold right now through price discovery.

ori_b 6y ago
Gold is also a poor place to put your money. The long term average is both volatile and underperforms most indexes. https://www.macrotrends.net/1333/historical-gold-prices-100-year-chart https://www.macrotrends.net/1333/historical-gold-prices-100-...
- trident5000 6y ago
  Gold is not in price discovery because its been around for so long and already had its ETF moment (which is why its stagnated since that massive run). But gold has always performed cyclically. Long term (very long term) its done quite well. Not my cup of tea but it had its place. Going forward I expect btc will disrupt it and flip its value (JPM making the same call).
  - ori_b 6y ago
    Over the last 100 years, you'd have done significantly better by putting your money into an index fund -- and had less volatility. As far as I can tell, gold is just a lousy place to keep your money. What kind of long term are you talking about?
    - TuringNYC 6y ago
      I agree with you in theory. However, over the course of 100yrs you also need to worry about entire countries disappearing. If your index fund is denominated in the wrong currency, held by the wrong custodian, or has too many companies based in falling countries, you might be in trouble. Meanwhile, Gold has survived a thousand generations. In a hundred years, there can be wars, reparations, and lots of damage to equity. I think some distinction should be made on store of value (win for gold) vs asset appreciation (win for stocks), especially once you start talking about 100years.
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      - lupire 6y ago
        When your country collapses, you tend to find practical matters that make gold a poor store of value, unless you dissolve your gold bars in acid when the war starts.
    - Consultant32452 6y ago
      My impression is gold is largely seen as a low risk inflation hedge rather than a growth investment. A better comparison would be a savings account or maybe municipal bonds.
    - the_giraffe 6y ago
      Did index funds exist 100 years ago? I'm pretty sure passive investing is a more recent phenomenon.
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      - imtringued 6y ago
        >In 1926, it developed a 90-stock index, computed daily. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%26P_500#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%26P_500#History This is just a technicality however. In practice you have to buy stocks according to the index yourself or invest into a fund that mirrors the index for you. The secret sauce in ETFs is that algorithms do the work of the fund manager and thus reduce costs.
  - anonu 6y ago
    Price discovery happens constantly and continuously. It's supply and demand.
- benibela 6y ago
  Perhaps that means gold is now cheaper than the index and thus will perform better than the index? Germany has weird taxes. There there is a 25% tax on stock market returns. But no tax on gold sales. Nor on Bitcoin sales. Although silver is taxed.
llamataboot 6y ago
Gold has stored value for a little bit longer than bitcoin, and the volatility isn't really even within orders of the same magnitude.
imtringued 6y ago
Bitcoin is mostly littered with bubbles and a hidden deflationary trend. Right now the 300% gains are just part of a bubble that is going to pop but Bitcoin will recover to a fraction of that, however that fraction is still higher than it started off. The long term gains per year are much smaller than the bubble gains. I wish people would stop "bubbling" Bitcoin and actually look at the long term trend like people do for stocks. At least I hope people research their stocks and ignore the last 2 years of gains when analyzing a stock or index fund.