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The current zeitgeist seems to be that the 'good' protests should be completely unmonitored and unrestricted, and the 'bad' protests should be tightly monitored
by nickff 6y ago
The current zeitgeist seems to be that the 'good' protests should be completely unmonitored and unrestricted, and the 'bad' protests should be tightly monitored and heavily sanctioned. The same is of course true for speech.
- ketzo 6y agoI think to call that feeling "current" is to be a little ignorant of history; people have always held double standards for their own causes. We're humans, after all.
- nickff 6y agoI never said it was 'novel' or 'recent', though it does seem to be more prolific these days.
- tharne 6y agoThat reminds me of the way my company and others frequently urge employees to bring their "whole selves to work", meaning of course, bring your whole self to work so long as your whole self espouses views that are confined to an exceedingly narrow window as defined by the NY Times Editorial Page.
- nostromo 6y ago"Speak your truth" and "say the thing" are other fake axioms from these people. I attended a DEI seminar at work where someone "said the thing" as he was encouraged to -- but it was the wrong thing apparently -- he was then humiliated by the organizers for wrongthink for about an hour in front of his coworkers.
- da_big_ghey 6y agoWhat are they encouraging with bringing your "whole self", talking politics at the office or wearing t-shirts with slogans, stuff like that?
- tw04 6y agoThe current zeitgeist seems to be that peaceful protestors should be left alone and treated like the law abiding citizens they are, and that violent protestors should be punished accordingly. Nobody in those Minneapolis neighborhoods (neighborhoods that were predominantly populated with african americans) wanted idiots burning down their local grocery stores or causing violence in their neighborhoods. Just like no sane person wanted a bunch of morons to break into the US Capitol building. If you want to make a claim, own it instead of being coy.
- skybrian 6y agoThe question is how you know they're peaceful in advance. Do you just trust them? Often, many of the protesters don't know what's going to happen either. (Some do, and use the crowd as cover.) It seems like some preparation for security at large events is necessary? But then the security is a target. Sometimes they try to keep a low profile to avoid this.
- nawgz 6y agoThis isn't an "in advance" though. From TFA: > EFF shows that the LAPD asked for video related to “the recent protests" Given that the protest was against the LAPD's power, more or less, you can imagine that this looks much more retaliatory than it does investigatory.
- ncallaway 6y agoSure, but that's not really relevant to the conversation. The ring doorbell footage isn't used for intelligence in advance of an event. It's used for dragnet surveillance after an event has taken place. My question about such after the fact surveillance: Is there a specific crime that they are investigating, or are they doing an investigation seeking a crime?
- AnthonyMouse 6y agoYou're not capturing all of the hypocrites (on both sides) who only care when the bad thing is done by the other team.
- worker767424 6y agoAnd "good" protests are the ones you agree with.