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An exploding phone is not a straw man argument. It’s an extremely valuable data point. Who is more likely to commit murder, a randomly selected person or a ran

An exploding phone is not a straw man argument. It’s an extremely valuable data point. Who is more likely to commit murder, a randomly selected person or a randomly selected person from those with an existing murder conviction?

ChuckNorris89 6y ago
Sony, LG and many other devices didn't explode, so why aren't their chargers as safe as Apple's by the logic of your arguments so far? How does one negative battery incident from Samsung prove that Apple makes the safest chargers of ALL the major electronics manufacturers? Because so far you provided no proof or arguments to support this other than "murderer" metaphors and opinionated brand loyalty wrapped in whataboutism focused towards one particular incident, then move the goalpost from safety to quality instead and I showed you proof that quality does not equal safety or vice versa.
- spoonjim 6y ago
  I never said that Apple makes the absolute safest chargers. What I do know is that: 1) major companies like Samsung have made huge safety blunders 2) Apple has no such history at scale (ie entire product recalls) and analysts find its chargers are well engineered 3) there is no 3. I don’t have the inclination to ascertain the safety of Sony chargers, I’ll just get Apple ones and leave it at that.
amelius 6y ago
By that logic ... Apple phones had antenna problems. You probably should not buy that brand anymore.
- spoonjim 6y ago
  It’s only “by that logic” if you equate bad reception to explosions.
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  - ChuckNorris89 6y ago
    >It’s only “by that logic” if you equate bad reception to explosions. If you keep moving the 'logic' goalposts to justify 'Apple is the best', then let me point out to you that bad reception IS just as bad, if not worse than batteries that could potentially explode. If you've got an accident or an emergency in a more remote area and can't get a reception to communicate all the details to the emergency services in time, then you or others could very well die. And, as opposed to batteries which due to chemistry reactions are more unpredictable and complex to lab-test for real world use, antenna design and reception quality can be easily tested in the lab before launching the product (RF engineer here), instead of blaming the users for "holding it wrong", so Apple gets no pardons from me on this life endangering fuckup. Plus, the phones with battery issues that have actually exploded were not more than a handful, so the risk of you actually being affected was low but all were recalled and refunded vs iPhone 4's poor antenna design which would plague all the phones, all the time and instead of a recall you got a rubber bumper lol.

ChuckNorris89 6y ago

Sony, LG and many other devices didn't explode, so why aren't their chargers as safe as Apple's by the logic of your arguments so far? How does one negative battery incident from Samsung prove that Apple makes the safest chargers of ALL the major electronics manufacturers? Because so far you provided no proof or arguments to support this other than "murderer" metaphors and opinionated brand loyalty wrapped in whataboutism focused towards one particular incident, then move the goalpost from safety to quality instead and I showed you proof that quality does not equal safety or vice versa.

spoonjim 6y ago
I never said that Apple makes the absolute safest chargers. What I do know is that: 1) major companies like Samsung have made huge safety blunders 2) Apple has no such history at scale (ie entire product recalls) and analysts find its chargers are well engineered 3) there is no 3. I don’t have the inclination to ascertain the safety of Sony chargers, I’ll just get Apple ones and leave it at that.

amelius 6y ago

By that logic ... Apple phones had antenna problems. You probably should not buy that brand anymore.

spoonjim 6y ago
It’s only “by that logic” if you equate bad reception to explosions.
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- ChuckNorris89 6y ago
  >It’s only “by that logic” if you equate bad reception to explosions. If you keep moving the 'logic' goalposts to justify 'Apple is the best', then let me point out to you that bad reception IS just as bad, if not worse than batteries that could potentially explode. If you've got an accident or an emergency in a more remote area and can't get a reception to communicate all the details to the emergency services in time, then you or others could very well die. And, as opposed to batteries which due to chemistry reactions are more unpredictable and complex to lab-test for real world use, antenna design and reception quality can be easily tested in the lab before launching the product (RF engineer here), instead of blaming the users for "holding it wrong", so Apple gets no pardons from me on this life endangering fuckup. Plus, the phones with battery issues that have actually exploded were not more than a handful, so the risk of you actually being affected was low but all were recalled and refunded vs iPhone 4's poor antenna design which would plague all the phones, all the time and instead of a recall you got a rubber bumper lol.