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>I have no real methodology to assess the quality of any other brand But then how did you assess the quality of Apple's chargers? Can the same methodology not

>I have no real methodology to assess the quality of any other brand But then how did you assess the quality of Apple's chargers? Can the same methodology not be applied then to other brands as well?

Judgmentality 6y ago
Nobody else has Apple's resources for supply management, nor are they as large a target for getting sued - Apple has the ability and incentive to sell safe products.
- ChuckNorris89 6y ago
  And Samsung, Panasonic, LG, SONY, Lenovo, Dell, HP and every other major electronics brand don't? How so?
  - Judgmentality 6y ago
    Apple is bigger and has better control of their supply chain. Similarly, those large companies would also likely build safe products, but it would be slightly less of a safe bet. Overall most of those companies have excellent track records, but I bet everybody still remembers the exploding batteries from Samsung. Meanwhile, Sony actually has a pretty spotty track record (depending on where privacy and safety overlap for you), but most people have forgotten the root kit scandal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk...
spoonjim 6y ago
Their size and demonstrated product quality in other areas, plus this guy’s tear down: http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-quality.html http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-...
- ChuckNorris89 6y ago
  >Their size How do you judge the quality and safety of charger purely by size? Is bigger safer, or is smaller safer? And if so, why don't other brands of the same size meet your quality standard based on that yardstick. >and demonstrated product quality in other areas Like their multi-year run of defective butterfly keyboards or hinge design that would cut through the MacBooks display cable over time causing the famous "stagelight effect" AKA "flexgate" where you'd being charged $600 to fix the $6 ribbon cable[1]? [1]https://www.extremetech.com/computing/284236-some-apple-laptops-require-600-repair-to-fix-6-problem-flexgate https://www.extremetech.com/computing/284236-some-apple-lapt... Edit: Ah, I see the downvotes are already here. I guess criticism of Apple with proof is not tolerated on HN.
  - thaumasiotes 6y ago
    > How do you judge the quality and safety of charger purely by size? I'm pretty sure spoonjim was referring to the size of Apple, not the size of the chargers they make.
    - ChuckNorris89 6y ago
      Ok, but then there are other huge electronics brands like Samsung or Sony. Why don't they qualify as "safe" by this metric?
      - spoonjim 6y ago
        Samsung literally sold an exploding phone.
        ChuckNorris89 6y ago
        Note 7 did explode. But that wasn't due to them cutting corners and they took it quickly off the market and it never happened to another model after they learned the design lesson where you need to give the battery cell space inside the phone to expand. And how does one battery incident from one brand prove that Apple is the best at making chargers? We're talking about different things here. "iPhones don't explode so Apple must be the best?" Samsung Note 7 exploded before it was taken of the market, but any other brand or model did not, so unless you want to hang on the 2016 Samsung Note 7 incident as strawman argument, you have provided no valid arguments.

>I have no real methodology to assess the quality of any other brand But then how did you assess the quality of Apple's chargers? Can the same methodology not be applied then to other brands as well?

Judgmentality 6y ago

Nobody else has Apple's resources for supply management, nor are they as large a target for getting sued - Apple has the ability and incentive to sell safe products.

ChuckNorris89 6y ago
And Samsung, Panasonic, LG, SONY, Lenovo, Dell, HP and every other major electronics brand don't? How so?
- Judgmentality 6y ago
  Apple is bigger and has better control of their supply chain. Similarly, those large companies would also likely build safe products, but it would be slightly less of a safe bet. Overall most of those companies have excellent track records, but I bet everybody still remembers the exploding batteries from Samsung. Meanwhile, Sony actually has a pretty spotty track record (depending on where privacy and safety overlap for you), but most people have forgotten the root kit scandal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk...

spoonjim 6y ago

Their size and demonstrated product quality in other areas, plus this guy’s tear down: http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-quality.html http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-...

ChuckNorris89 6y ago
>Their size How do you judge the quality and safety of charger purely by size? Is bigger safer, or is smaller safer? And if so, why don't other brands of the same size meet your quality standard based on that yardstick. >and demonstrated product quality in other areas Like their multi-year run of defective butterfly keyboards or hinge design that would cut through the MacBooks display cable over time causing the famous "stagelight effect" AKA "flexgate" where you'd being charged $600 to fix the $6 ribbon cable[1]? [1]https://www.extremetech.com/computing/284236-some-apple-laptops-require-600-repair-to-fix-6-problem-flexgate https://www.extremetech.com/computing/284236-some-apple-lapt... Edit: Ah, I see the downvotes are already here. I guess criticism of Apple with proof is not tolerated on HN.
- thaumasiotes 6y ago
  > How do you judge the quality and safety of charger purely by size? I'm pretty sure spoonjim was referring to the size of Apple, not the size of the chargers they make.
  - ChuckNorris89 6y ago
    Ok, but then there are other huge electronics brands like Samsung or Sony. Why don't they qualify as "safe" by this metric?
    - spoonjim 6y ago
      Samsung literally sold an exploding phone.
      - ChuckNorris89 6y ago
        Note 7 did explode. But that wasn't due to them cutting corners and they took it quickly off the market and it never happened to another model after they learned the design lesson where you need to give the battery cell space inside the phone to expand. And how does one battery incident from one brand prove that Apple is the best at making chargers? We're talking about different things here. "iPhones don't explode so Apple must be the best?" Samsung Note 7 exploded before it was taken of the market, but any other brand or model did not, so unless you want to hang on the 2016 Samsung Note 7 incident as strawman argument, you have provided no valid arguments.