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It seems like Python and Node are not good choices for command line tools. Rust or Go make a lot more sense as your end users won’t have to install any libs or

It seems like Python and Node are not good choices for command line tools. Rust or Go make a lot more sense as your end users won’t have to install any libs or package managers. Single binary distribution ftw.

Scarbutt 6y ago
For an internal app, you could give users restricted ssh access, less pain that giving them binaries.
pottertheotter 6y ago
As someone who really only knows Python (I'm not a developer), I was thinking the same thing. I think this would be really useful for me to use for some personal projects. Or for libraries for someone who already uses Python. I guess that's enough for it to be useful, but I wish I could package it up better to let someone who doesn't know a thing about Python use what I made.
- solosoyokaze 6y ago
  It looks like a great library! Definitely useful for internal tools, personal scripts... As a user I’m just encouraging people not to use an interpreted language to build tools you plan to distribute.
nhumrich 6y ago
pip is installed by default on mac and linux. For non posix experienced users, pip installing packages is actually easier than figuring out how to put a binary on the path. Not to mention, updates are just a command, you dont have to go find the url, redownload, and replace the binary.
- solosoyokaze 6y ago
  Realistically speaking people will most likely install cli tools with brew on mac. People shouldn’t be pip installing things without virtualenv anyway.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
    In that case it's irrelevant whether the thing is shipped as a normal python package, a static binary, or anything else, since it just comes from brew anyways.
- zaphirplane 6y ago
  I thought macOS stopped shipping with python
- em500 6y ago
  Pip is not installed by default on macOS, and even python itself will be removed in some future version.
wyqydsyq 6y ago
Except you can bake apps into a single stand-alone binary executable for both Node.JS[1] and Python[2] [1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/pkg https://www.npmjs.com/package/pkg [2] https://github.com/marcelotduarte/cx_Freeze https://github.com/marcelotduarte/cx_Freeze
- sokoloff 6y ago
  Can’t you just shebang a python script to make it feel like a normal executable?
  - CoffeeDregs 6y ago
    Sure but you can't shebang all of the deps... Unless your `normal executable` embeds a Python dependency-manager.
    - d0mine 6y ago
      #!/usr/bin/fades https://github.com/PyAr/fades#what-is-fades https://github.com/PyAr/fades#what-is-fades
  - wyqydsyq 6y ago
    You can do it with Node as well, this works: #!/usr/bin/env node But similarly to with Python, it still requires you have the runtime installed along with any packages your thing depends on
  - ttyprintk 6y ago
    If you zip a Python package with a __main__.py, it’s executable by the interpreter.
    - medecau 6y ago
      https://shiv.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ https://shiv.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ https://pex.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ https://pex.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
otikik 6y ago
Rust has several interesting TUI libraries too. Check https://github.com/fdehau/tui-rs https://github.com/fdehau/tui-rs for example.

Scarbutt 6y ago

For an internal app, you could give users restricted ssh access, less pain that giving them binaries.

pottertheotter 6y ago

As someone who really only knows Python (I'm not a developer), I was thinking the same thing. I think this would be really useful for me to use for some personal projects. Or for libraries for someone who already uses Python. I guess that's enough for it to be useful, but I wish I could package it up better to let someone who doesn't know a thing about Python use what I made.

solosoyokaze 6y ago
It looks like a great library! Definitely useful for internal tools, personal scripts... As a user I’m just encouraging people not to use an interpreted language to build tools you plan to distribute.

nhumrich 6y ago

pip is installed by default on mac and linux. For non posix experienced users, pip installing packages is actually easier than figuring out how to put a binary on the path. Not to mention, updates are just a command, you dont have to go find the url, redownload, and replace the binary.

solosoyokaze 6y ago
Realistically speaking people will most likely install cli tools with brew on mac. People shouldn’t be pip installing things without virtualenv anyway.
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
  In that case it's irrelevant whether the thing is shipped as a normal python package, a static binary, or anything else, since it just comes from brew anyways.
zaphirplane 6y ago
I thought macOS stopped shipping with python
em500 6y ago
Pip is not installed by default on macOS, and even python itself will be removed in some future version.

wyqydsyq 6y ago

Except you can bake apps into a single stand-alone binary executable for both Node.JS[1] and Python[2] [1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/pkg https://www.npmjs.com/package/pkg [2] https://github.com/marcelotduarte/cx_Freeze https://github.com/marcelotduarte/cx_Freeze

sokoloff 6y ago
Can’t you just shebang a python script to make it feel like a normal executable?
- CoffeeDregs 6y ago
  Sure but you can't shebang all of the deps... Unless your `normal executable` embeds a Python dependency-manager.
  - d0mine 6y ago
    #!/usr/bin/fades https://github.com/PyAr/fades#what-is-fades https://github.com/PyAr/fades#what-is-fades
- wyqydsyq 6y ago
  You can do it with Node as well, this works: #!/usr/bin/env node But similarly to with Python, it still requires you have the runtime installed along with any packages your thing depends on
- ttyprintk 6y ago
  If you zip a Python package with a __main__.py, it’s executable by the interpreter.
  - medecau 6y ago
    https://shiv.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ https://shiv.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ https://pex.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ https://pex.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

otikik 6y ago

Rust has several interesting TUI libraries too. Check https://github.com/fdehau/tui-rs https://github.com/fdehau/tui-rs for example.