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So I like coding in linux too. I absolutely prefer it over anything else; but, lately my ubuntu distro has not been able to wake up from suspend so I force a re

So I like coding in linux too. I absolutely prefer it over anything else; but, lately my ubuntu distro has not been able to wake up from suspend so I force a reboot when I get back to my computer after a prolonged break. And I was pretty intentional about not futzing around with X11 and third-party graphics with this distribution specifically to avoid this kind of thing happening and have a long-term Linux OS. I also recently got a bluetooth adapter and found out I simply cannot turn on bluetooth. When I was younger, I had more patience to hack around with things until they work exactly as I like, but I'm surprised that I'm still encountering issues like these in 2021 on a desktop-focused OS. I wish other OSes followed the unix philosophy more. I wish I could separate the windowing manager from the desktop in OS X, and have more extensive customization options over everything. It'd be nice if Windows had as nice of a filesystem organization story as any linux distro.

Enginerrrd 6y ago
Honestly, it's weird that Ubuntu has the reputation that it does. I still conceive of it as a "user-friendly" distro in the back of my mind, but my experience is that it constantly finds new and interesting ways to break. Compare that to Arch, which was a PITA to setup once, but since I have, I've had one minor thing break on an AUR package and that's it. But Arch has the reputation as the one that breaks on updates. My experience is definitely contrary to my conception of, and the reputation of these distros.
- shrimp_emoji 6y ago
  Yeah. PPAs are such a user-unfriendly alternative to the AUR, which just has everything. Also, Ubuntu (with GNOME), Kubuntu, and Xubuntu (but not Lubuntu...) recently switched to some new crypto greeter (the thing you put your password into to unlock your encrypted drive at boot) which glitches out very badly. On every other boot, it flickers between its graphical facade and the underlying CLI prompt, and single keypresses are interpreted as multiple ones. Lubuntu, however, uses the same crypto greeter as Manjaro seems to, which still works. Also, a funny thing: my keyboard (a Code V3)'s Num/Caps Lock LED keys don't illuminate at all in any of the *buntus, though they do in Debian, Manjaro, and Arch (on both newer and older kernels than Ubuntu 20.04 currently uses). It's pretty disappointing. On the other hand, after around 2 years of using Manjaro without problems, kernel 5.10 got me recently. :D It has big problems. Same problems in Arch. But, unlike in Arch, a kernel rollback in Manjaro is an in-OS GUI and/or a GRUB selection away. Manjaro's been the sweet spot for me, and it looks like it'll continue to be. On the other hand², some software I recently had to build explicitly refuses to run on any unsupported *nix systems, and it doesn't support Arch or Arch-flavored distros. :c (Hence my recent adventures in Ubuntu.) So there's definite downsides to straying off of the Ubuntu-flavored Linux reservation, but Ubuntu's always been surprisingly buggy for me compared to Arch and Manjaro.
  - wayneftw 6y ago
    Sticking with an LTS/Recommended kernel has served me well in Manjaro. Currently I'm running 5.4.95-1. Last year I was running a 4.x kernel but I began having an issue with some piece of software (I forget) that, when I researched it found everybody recommending a switch to a 5.x kernel which fixed it immediately for me. Switching kernels indeed is extremely easy!
    - shrimp_emoji 6y ago
      Yep, rolling back to 5.4 saved me. :p Just watch out for 5.10. Happily, 5.11 seems okay, but it's still experimental. Sticking to the LTS is a great idea, though part of me wants to go "Well then why not just run Ubuntu?! ;w;", despite having some answers. (Funnily, Ubuntu 20.04 LTS actually updates from 5.4 to 5.8. Apparently, the Ubuntu LTS doesn't stick to the LTS kernel now! Unless it never really did.)
  - shrimp_emoji 6y ago
    >Also, Ubuntu (with GNOME), Kubuntu, and Xubuntu (but not Lubuntu...) recently switched to some new crypto greeter (the thing you put your password into to unlock your encrypted drive at boot) which glitches out very badly. On every other boot, it flickers between its graphical facade and the underlying CLI prompt, and single keypresses are interpreted as multiple ones. Lubuntu, however, uses the same crypto greeter as Manjaro seems to, which still works. EDIT: it turns out that the falling back to the underlying CLI is the greeter's response to arrow key input (e.g., the up arrow key is "^[[A", which is multiple characters[0]). XD And, with Num Lock turned off, the numpad keys work as arrow keys. 0: https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/103608 https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/103608
kitsunesoba 6y ago
For the bluetooth adapter, you might need a distro with a newer kernel. I recently put an Intel AX200 wifi+BT combo card in an old laptop and couldn't get it working in Debian 10, but it works perfectly out of the box with Pop!_OS 20.10.
krisgenre 6y ago
>>ubuntu distro has not been able to wake up from suspend Yes, this has been bugging me too. At work, I recently upgraded to a Dell Precision running Ubuntu 20.04 and this has been happening quite frequently (a bit less since a firmware upgrade). Strangely this was never an issue on my previous Dell Latitude running the same.
BrS96bVxXBLzf5B 6y ago
Possible avenue of investigation from my experience years ago, it was Light Locker. Across multiple installs.
grifball 6y ago
What laptop do you have? You may know this, but for anyone who doesn't: with Linux, you really have to choose the laptop model from a list. Here's a good list for Ubuntu: https://certification.ubuntu.com/desktop https://certification.ubuntu.com/desktop I've got two thinkpads that I've never had any real problems with. One is a 2-in-1 and the tablet mode is amazing with xournalpp (I've never owned an iPad so I can't compare). Bluetooth is always a little testy though. Lately, it's been getting a lot better, but if bt is a make-or-break feature, you might wanna try wsl or a VM. Also, remember to 'sudo apt upgrade'. It fixes a lot of random problems.
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AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
> It'd be nice if Windows had as nice of a filesystem organization story as any linux distro. ...are you serious? There's a lot of words to describe the Linux filesystem organization and 'nice' is definitely not one of them. Windows file hierarchy has some problems to be sure, but at least it doesn't scatter every application's files all over the hierarchy and require a specialized tool and database to track which ones belong to which applications.
- cycloptic 6y ago
  It's popular for Linux distributions to have a scattered hierarchy with a package manager, but it certainly isn't a requirement. Take a look at AppImages.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
    AppImages are pretty great, when they actually exist for your applications. It is exceptionally disingenuous, however, to suggest that the existence of some AppImages invalidates the file hierarchy organization problems of any distro. You might have been better to point out the existence of GoboLinux, but that is but one not very popular distro among many.
    - cycloptic 6y ago
      Please do not baselessly accuse me of being "disingenuous," I'm trying to help you. If you won't use GoboLinux or ask packagers to make AppImages for the apps you want then I don't know what to say, those are solutions to your problem. If you're saying you want all other distributions to be like GoboLinux, I doubt that would happen because that comes with its own set of other problems. Edit: You can do some pretty interesting things here with Nix/Guix too although that still requires a package manager. The reason I said AppImages is because that's currently the best method that doesn't require any package manager at all.
      - AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago

Enginerrrd 6y ago

Honestly, it's weird that Ubuntu has the reputation that it does. I still conceive of it as a "user-friendly" distro in the back of my mind, but my experience is that it constantly finds new and interesting ways to break. Compare that to Arch, which was a PITA to setup once, but since I have, I've had one minor thing break on an AUR package and that's it. But Arch has the reputation as the one that breaks on updates. My experience is definitely contrary to my conception of, and the reputation of these distros.

shrimp_emoji 6y ago
Yeah. PPAs are such a user-unfriendly alternative to the AUR, which just has everything. Also, Ubuntu (with GNOME), Kubuntu, and Xubuntu (but not Lubuntu...) recently switched to some new crypto greeter (the thing you put your password into to unlock your encrypted drive at boot) which glitches out very badly. On every other boot, it flickers between its graphical facade and the underlying CLI prompt, and single keypresses are interpreted as multiple ones. Lubuntu, however, uses the same crypto greeter as Manjaro seems to, which still works. Also, a funny thing: my keyboard (a Code V3)'s Num/Caps Lock LED keys don't illuminate at all in any of the *buntus, though they do in Debian, Manjaro, and Arch (on both newer and older kernels than Ubuntu 20.04 currently uses). It's pretty disappointing. On the other hand, after around 2 years of using Manjaro without problems, kernel 5.10 got me recently. :D It has big problems. Same problems in Arch. But, unlike in Arch, a kernel rollback in Manjaro is an in-OS GUI and/or a GRUB selection away. Manjaro's been the sweet spot for me, and it looks like it'll continue to be. On the other hand², some software I recently had to build explicitly refuses to run on any unsupported *nix systems, and it doesn't support Arch or Arch-flavored distros. :c (Hence my recent adventures in Ubuntu.) So there's definite downsides to straying off of the Ubuntu-flavored Linux reservation, but Ubuntu's always been surprisingly buggy for me compared to Arch and Manjaro.
- wayneftw 6y ago
  Sticking with an LTS/Recommended kernel has served me well in Manjaro. Currently I'm running 5.4.95-1. Last year I was running a 4.x kernel but I began having an issue with some piece of software (I forget) that, when I researched it found everybody recommending a switch to a 5.x kernel which fixed it immediately for me. Switching kernels indeed is extremely easy!
  - shrimp_emoji 6y ago
    Yep, rolling back to 5.4 saved me. :p Just watch out for 5.10. Happily, 5.11 seems okay, but it's still experimental. Sticking to the LTS is a great idea, though part of me wants to go "Well then why not just run Ubuntu?! ;w;", despite having some answers. (Funnily, Ubuntu 20.04 LTS actually updates from 5.4 to 5.8. Apparently, the Ubuntu LTS doesn't stick to the LTS kernel now! Unless it never really did.)
- shrimp_emoji 6y ago
  >Also, Ubuntu (with GNOME), Kubuntu, and Xubuntu (but not Lubuntu...) recently switched to some new crypto greeter (the thing you put your password into to unlock your encrypted drive at boot) which glitches out very badly. On every other boot, it flickers between its graphical facade and the underlying CLI prompt, and single keypresses are interpreted as multiple ones. Lubuntu, however, uses the same crypto greeter as Manjaro seems to, which still works. EDIT: it turns out that the falling back to the underlying CLI is the greeter's response to arrow key input (e.g., the up arrow key is "^[[A", which is multiple characters[0]). XD And, with Num Lock turned off, the numpad keys work as arrow keys. 0: https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/103608 https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/103608

kitsunesoba 6y ago

For the bluetooth adapter, you might need a distro with a newer kernel. I recently put an Intel AX200 wifi+BT combo card in an old laptop and couldn't get it working in Debian 10, but it works perfectly out of the box with Pop!_OS 20.10.

krisgenre 6y ago

>>ubuntu distro has not been able to wake up from suspend Yes, this has been bugging me too. At work, I recently upgraded to a Dell Precision running Ubuntu 20.04 and this has been happening quite frequently (a bit less since a firmware upgrade). Strangely this was never an issue on my previous Dell Latitude running the same.

BrS96bVxXBLzf5B 6y ago

Possible avenue of investigation from my experience years ago, it was Light Locker. Across multiple installs.

grifball 6y ago

What laptop do you have? You may know this, but for anyone who doesn't: with Linux, you really have to choose the laptop model from a list. Here's a good list for Ubuntu: https://certification.ubuntu.com/desktop https://certification.ubuntu.com/desktop I've got two thinkpads that I've never had any real problems with. One is a 2-in-1 and the tablet mode is amazing with xournalpp (I've never owned an iPad so I can't compare). Bluetooth is always a little testy though. Lately, it's been getting a lot better, but if bt is a make-or-break feature, you might wanna try wsl or a VM. Also, remember to 'sudo apt upgrade'. It fixes a lot of random problems.

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AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago

> It'd be nice if Windows had as nice of a filesystem organization story as any linux distro. ...are you serious? There's a lot of words to describe the Linux filesystem organization and 'nice' is definitely not one of them. Windows file hierarchy has some problems to be sure, but at least it doesn't scatter every application's files all over the hierarchy and require a specialized tool and database to track which ones belong to which applications.

cycloptic 6y ago
It's popular for Linux distributions to have a scattered hierarchy with a package manager, but it certainly isn't a requirement. Take a look at AppImages.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
  AppImages are pretty great, when they actually exist for your applications. It is exceptionally disingenuous, however, to suggest that the existence of some AppImages invalidates the file hierarchy organization problems of any distro. You might have been better to point out the existence of GoboLinux, but that is but one not very popular distro among many.
  - cycloptic 6y ago
    Please do not baselessly accuse me of being "disingenuous," I'm trying to help you. If you won't use GoboLinux or ask packagers to make AppImages for the apps you want then I don't know what to say, those are solutions to your problem. If you're saying you want all other distributions to be like GoboLinux, I doubt that would happen because that comes with its own set of other problems. Edit: You can do some pretty interesting things here with Nix/Guix too although that still requires a package manager. The reason I said AppImages is because that's currently the best method that doesn't require any package manager at all.
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago