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They don't care who makes the phone but they do care: 1) about the phone not shipping with malware 2) about the phone not working after 2 years 3) apps no lo

by swiley 6y ago

They don't care who makes the phone but they do care: 1) about the phone not shipping with malware 2) about the phone not working after 2 years 3) apps no longer working because the only OS vendor for your phone disagrees about something with the developer As for what developers care about: commercial devs will avoid the pinephone and IMO that's a good thing.

tw04 6y ago
>1) about the phone not shipping with malware Given the number of people who have no issues installing Zoom or TikTok, I'm not sure I buy that. >2) about the phone not working after 2 years The average consumer has to have the latest and greatest every 2 years whether the old phone still works or not. >3) apps no longer working because the only OS vendor for your phone disagrees about something with the developer The number of parler users willing to give up their iPhone for parler isn't even a blip on the radar. They won't even switch to android for it, why do you think they'd switch to Pine?
- war1025 6y ago
  > The average consumer has to have the latest and greatest every 2 years whether the old phone still works or not. My experience is that my older relatives get new phones frequently because they get their old ones so malware laden that they no longer function correctly. That and apps grind to a halt because the developers use top of the line hardware and don't notice how wasteful of resources they are being.
  - homarp 6y ago
    but your older relative also expects: a) the bank app to install b) the whatsapp or whatever "everyone my age uses that" they are using to install c) candycrush or whatever is the trendy game of the moment to install d) Netflix/Disney+/... app to install I really doubt these will ever be ported to PinePhone. And then, if they were, I am sure malware would also be ported, so back to square one.
macksd 6y ago
They care, but not enough to slightly inconvenience themselves when shopping for a new contract. I have a lot of family that come to me for IT / device help and I make a big deal out of all these issues to them. I can't say I've ever had one do anything other than go ask the Verizon store (or equivalent) for the latest iPhone or Galaxy the minute their old one is paid off. The one exception is the relative who will buy whatever the absolute cheapest, most heavily subsidized device is. I don't see him buying a Pine either.

by swiley 6y ago

tw04 6y ago

>1) about the phone not shipping with malware Given the number of people who have no issues installing Zoom or TikTok, I'm not sure I buy that. >2) about the phone not working after 2 years The average consumer has to have the latest and greatest every 2 years whether the old phone still works or not. >3) apps no longer working because the only OS vendor for your phone disagrees about something with the developer The number of parler users willing to give up their iPhone for parler isn't even a blip on the radar. They won't even switch to android for it, why do you think they'd switch to Pine?

war1025 6y ago
> The average consumer has to have the latest and greatest every 2 years whether the old phone still works or not. My experience is that my older relatives get new phones frequently because they get their old ones so malware laden that they no longer function correctly. That and apps grind to a halt because the developers use top of the line hardware and don't notice how wasteful of resources they are being.
- homarp 6y ago
  but your older relative also expects: a) the bank app to install b) the whatsapp or whatever "everyone my age uses that" they are using to install c) candycrush or whatever is the trendy game of the moment to install d) Netflix/Disney+/... app to install I really doubt these will ever be ported to PinePhone. And then, if they were, I am sure malware would also be ported, so back to square one.

macksd 6y ago

They care, but not enough to slightly inconvenience themselves when shopping for a new contract. I have a lot of family that come to me for IT / device help and I make a big deal out of all these issues to them. I can't say I've ever had one do anything other than go ask the Verizon store (or equivalent) for the latest iPhone or Galaxy the minute their old one is paid off. The one exception is the relative who will buy whatever the absolute cheapest, most heavily subsidized device is. I don't see him buying a Pine either.