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>I'm thoroughly convinced companies like Pine64 are going to completely displace Google (and perhaps even Apple) because they work with rather than against the

by tw04 6y ago

>I'm thoroughly convinced companies like Pine64 are going to completely displace Google (and perhaps even Apple) because they work with rather than against the developer community. I applaud your enthusiasm but there's no planet on which Pine64 replaces Google or Apple. Unless they somehow convince the likes of someone like Samsung to make the switch, their market share will be measured in basis points. The average consumer doesn't care at all how Google and Apple treat developers. And the average developer is going to go to the place they make money, even if it's more painful to do business with those giants.

cogman10 6y ago
Microsoft leaving the phone market is where I'd point. They were also very developer friendly but far too late to the market. I don't even think Samsung can get away from android. They are trying with tizen but the ecosystem is hard to escape.
- benjohnson 6y ago
  It was my understanding that Microsoft pulled the rug out from developers multiple times by making new OS versions not quite backwards compatible.
  - Snitch-Thursday 6y ago
    iirc the extreme TL;DR of that was this: rewrite your windows mobile 5/6 apps for windows phone 7? ok, its a brand new platform, i get it. rewrite wp 7 for windows phone 8? ok... (there may have been wp7 mango that needed tweaks but my memory is too fuzzy) rewrite windows phone 8 for 8.1 ? cmon now rewrite windows phone 8.1 for wm 10? no
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      Followed by "rewrite UWP for Reunion, sorry about the left turn with Windows 8, and don't use that C++ Builder like tooling any longer, IDL without VS support rulez".
swiley 6y ago
They don't care who makes the phone but they do care: 1) about the phone not shipping with malware 2) about the phone not working after 2 years 3) apps no longer working because the only OS vendor for your phone disagrees about something with the developer As for what developers care about: commercial devs will avoid the pinephone and IMO that's a good thing.
- tw04 6y ago
  >1) about the phone not shipping with malware Given the number of people who have no issues installing Zoom or TikTok, I'm not sure I buy that. >2) about the phone not working after 2 years The average consumer has to have the latest and greatest every 2 years whether the old phone still works or not. >3) apps no longer working because the only OS vendor for your phone disagrees about something with the developer The number of parler users willing to give up their iPhone for parler isn't even a blip on the radar. They won't even switch to android for it, why do you think they'd switch to Pine?
  - war1025 6y ago
    > The average consumer has to have the latest and greatest every 2 years whether the old phone still works or not. My experience is that my older relatives get new phones frequently because they get their old ones so malware laden that they no longer function correctly. That and apps grind to a halt because the developers use top of the line hardware and don't notice how wasteful of resources they are being.
    - homarp 6y ago
      but your older relative also expects: a) the bank app to install b) the whatsapp or whatever "everyone my age uses that" they are using to install c) candycrush or whatever is the trendy game of the moment to install d) Netflix/Disney+/... app to install I really doubt these will ever be ported to PinePhone. And then, if they were, I am sure malware would also be ported, so back to square one.
- macksd 6y ago

by tw04 6y ago

cogman10 6y ago

Microsoft leaving the phone market is where I'd point. They were also very developer friendly but far too late to the market. I don't even think Samsung can get away from android. They are trying with tizen but the ecosystem is hard to escape.

benjohnson 6y ago
It was my understanding that Microsoft pulled the rug out from developers multiple times by making new OS versions not quite backwards compatible.
- Snitch-Thursday 6y ago
  iirc the extreme TL;DR of that was this: rewrite your windows mobile 5/6 apps for windows phone 7? ok, its a brand new platform, i get it. rewrite wp 7 for windows phone 8? ok... (there may have been wp7 mango that needed tweaks but my memory is too fuzzy) rewrite windows phone 8 for 8.1 ? cmon now rewrite windows phone 8.1 for wm 10? no
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Followed by "rewrite UWP for Reunion, sorry about the left turn with Windows 8, and don't use that C++ Builder like tooling any longer, IDL without VS support rulez".

swiley 6y ago

They don't care who makes the phone but they do care: 1) about the phone not shipping with malware 2) about the phone not working after 2 years 3) apps no longer working because the only OS vendor for your phone disagrees about something with the developer As for what developers care about: commercial devs will avoid the pinephone and IMO that's a good thing.

tw04 6y ago
>1) about the phone not shipping with malware Given the number of people who have no issues installing Zoom or TikTok, I'm not sure I buy that. >2) about the phone not working after 2 years The average consumer has to have the latest and greatest every 2 years whether the old phone still works or not. >3) apps no longer working because the only OS vendor for your phone disagrees about something with the developer The number of parler users willing to give up their iPhone for parler isn't even a blip on the radar. They won't even switch to android for it, why do you think they'd switch to Pine?
- war1025 6y ago
  > The average consumer has to have the latest and greatest every 2 years whether the old phone still works or not. My experience is that my older relatives get new phones frequently because they get their old ones so malware laden that they no longer function correctly. That and apps grind to a halt because the developers use top of the line hardware and don't notice how wasteful of resources they are being.
  - homarp 6y ago
    but your older relative also expects: a) the bank app to install b) the whatsapp or whatever "everyone my age uses that" they are using to install c) candycrush or whatever is the trendy game of the moment to install d) Netflix/Disney+/... app to install I really doubt these will ever be ported to PinePhone. And then, if they were, I am sure malware would also be ported, so back to square one.
macksd 6y ago