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I don't think we'll really know what the future holds until people start coming back to work. When everyone is on zoom, its easy to keep zoom etiquette. Its a

by jayd16 6y ago

I don't think we'll really know what the future holds until people start coming back to work. When everyone is on zoom, its easy to keep zoom etiquette. Its a lot harder if we revert back to in office meetings and a dial in number if someone happens to be WFH that day.

MattGaiser 6y ago
Yes, everyone on Zoom is fine. Half in the room and half on Zoom has never been easy and I am not sure how that will be solved going forward.
- NeverFade 6y ago
  If WFH becomes fully accepted, I don't think many employees will choose to commute 30-60 minutes to spend their days at the office instead of staying home with their spouse, kids, and pets.
- ludston 6y ago
  The solution that everyone goes on Zoom, regardless of whether or not they are sitting next to each other. Pretend the team is fully remote, but still take advantage of organic, local interaction to skill up new developers. We were coincidentally doing this in my workplace 6 months before COVID took off.
  - StopHammoTime 6y ago
    Exactly. A lot of teams seem to also struggle with no "face to face" communication. Yeah you can't turn and talk to your colleague but you can press "Call", which arguably is the same amount of effort.
  - glandium 6y ago
    How well does echo cancellation work in these cases?
    - Mashimo 6y ago
      You unmute when it's your turn. The other person mutes.
  - seanmcdirmid 6y ago
    I like that idea. Plus it still allows for multi tasking during meetings...
throw8932894 6y ago
Do you really think that employer can ensure employee safety in typical open plane office?
cblconfederate 6y ago
> start coming back to work. Hint: they won't. When the office is half-empty, it's useless, people might as well go back home. Remote is a self-reinforcing loop, office isn't
- groundCode 6y ago
  I think they might. And we might be in a hacker news bubble with our wish to stay remote. Overwhelmingly the developers in my organisation are happy to work remote forever. Deliver people, product people, design people all seem to want to be back in the office. Upper management as well.
  - cblconfederate 6y ago
    The hacker news groupthink is actually weirdly stuck with the office, despite the signs
  - NeverFade 6y ago
    > And we might be in a hacker news bubble with our wish to stay remote. You really think that outside of our "hacker news bubble", everyone is *dying* to go back to their offices in SF, to the rat race of getting raises every year to barely keep up with rising housing and general living costs, and never having a hope of buying a house or raising a family, even as senior engineers? Do you really think the average person prefers that to living in a quiet, zero-crime suburb, in a nice big home, and spending all day every day in the comfort of their home with their family and pets?
    - doteka 6y ago
      The vast majority of even the developed world is nothing like SF. In particular, for most people outside major capitals buying a house and raising a family is very doable. > spending all day every day in the comfort of their home This may sound good to you, it definitely doesn’t sound good to an extrovert. If that was my prospects for the rest of my life, I’d likely shoot myself.
ip26 6y ago
Five years ago the dial-in was an issue, but Teams is making it pretty darn painless/automatic.

by jayd16 6y ago

MattGaiser 6y ago

Yes, everyone on Zoom is fine. Half in the room and half on Zoom has never been easy and I am not sure how that will be solved going forward.

NeverFade 6y ago
If WFH becomes fully accepted, I don't think many employees will choose to commute 30-60 minutes to spend their days at the office instead of staying home with their spouse, kids, and pets.
ludston 6y ago
The solution that everyone goes on Zoom, regardless of whether or not they are sitting next to each other. Pretend the team is fully remote, but still take advantage of organic, local interaction to skill up new developers. We were coincidentally doing this in my workplace 6 months before COVID took off.
- StopHammoTime 6y ago
  Exactly. A lot of teams seem to also struggle with no "face to face" communication. Yeah you can't turn and talk to your colleague but you can press "Call", which arguably is the same amount of effort.
- glandium 6y ago
  How well does echo cancellation work in these cases?
  - Mashimo 6y ago
    You unmute when it's your turn. The other person mutes.
- seanmcdirmid 6y ago
  I like that idea. Plus it still allows for multi tasking during meetings...

throw8932894 6y ago

Do you really think that employer can ensure employee safety in typical open plane office?

cblconfederate 6y ago

> start coming back to work. Hint: they won't. When the office is half-empty, it's useless, people might as well go back home. Remote is a self-reinforcing loop, office isn't

groundCode 6y ago
I think they might. And we might be in a hacker news bubble with our wish to stay remote. Overwhelmingly the developers in my organisation are happy to work remote forever. Deliver people, product people, design people all seem to want to be back in the office. Upper management as well.
- cblconfederate 6y ago
  The hacker news groupthink is actually weirdly stuck with the office, despite the signs
- NeverFade 6y ago
  > And we might be in a hacker news bubble with our wish to stay remote. You really think that outside of our "hacker news bubble", everyone is *dying* to go back to their offices in SF, to the rat race of getting raises every year to barely keep up with rising housing and general living costs, and never having a hope of buying a house or raising a family, even as senior engineers? Do you really think the average person prefers that to living in a quiet, zero-crime suburb, in a nice big home, and spending all day every day in the comfort of their home with their family and pets?
  - doteka 6y ago
    The vast majority of even the developed world is nothing like SF. In particular, for most people outside major capitals buying a house and raising a family is very doable. > spending all day every day in the comfort of their home This may sound good to you, it definitely doesn’t sound good to an extrovert. If that was my prospects for the rest of my life, I’d likely shoot myself.

ip26 6y ago

Five years ago the dial-in was an issue, but Teams is making it pretty darn painless/automatic.