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Keep in mind capitalism systematically creates poverty by depriving income to the ~50% of the population that are not full time workers (children, elderly, sick

Keep in mind capitalism systematically creates poverty by depriving income to the ~50% of the population that are not full time workers (children, elderly, sick, disabled, unemployed, students, etc).

chordalkeyboard 6y ago
> capitalism systematically creates poverty by depriving income to the ~50% of the population that are not full time workers What income are they depriving them from? If they aren’t working, how could anyone deprive them of an income that doesn’t exist?
- djrobstep 6y ago
  ??? That is literally what deprivation means - the thing you need is absent. The deprivation is enforced through a large government program called "property law".
  - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
    > That is literally what deprivation means - the thing you need is absent. “Deprivation” is the act or process of removing. You’re claiming someone removed the income, but they haven’t done anything to create an income. There’s no income from which to deprive them because they haven’t done anything to generate an income. > The deprivation happens through a large government program called "property law". That doesn’t make sense, the way I understand it, property law codifies the rules around the things that people own. That’s preventing owners from being deprived. You’re asserting that laws which forbid depriving people of property are the mechanism by which they are deprived? How does that work?
    - djrobstep 6y ago
      > but they haven’t done anything to create an income "People who don't work full time should starve" is ideology, not some law of physics. > There’s no income from which to deprive them There is plenty. US GDP is trillions a year. > How does that work? Property law creates property ownership. Ownership assigned to one person is deprived from others.
      - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
        > "People who don't work full time should starve" is ideology, not some law of physics. “People are entitled to other people’s labor” is ideology as well. However claiming that someone has been deprived of something that never existed in the first place is just nonsense. > There is plenty. US GDP is trillions a year. So you’re suggesting we deprive people of their income because of your ideology? > Property law creates property ownership. Negative, ownership creates property law. > Ownership assigned to one person is deprived from others. So how do you justify assigning ownership to certain people? What gives you the right to deprive people of their income?
        djrobstep 6y ago
        > “People are entitled to other people’s labor” is ideology as well. You make a powerful critique of capital income and inheritance law. > So you’re suggesting we deprive people of their income because of your ideology? You're the one advocating we systematically deprive people of income. I'm the one advocating everybody receive an income. > Negative, ownership creates property law. Libertarian ideology has broken your brain. Property law is a government program - it requires enforcement to exist, aka the law. > So how do you justify assigning ownership to certain people? The principles of egalitarianism.
        chordalkeyboard 6y ago
        > You make a powerful critique of capital income and inheritance law. You must have missed the part about entitlement to others’ labor, as inheritance is a transfer initiated by the owner of the property, and capital income is a voluntary exchange by all parties. > You're the one advocating we systematically deprive people of income. No, that was you who suggested that US GDP could be expropriated from its owners and redistributed to your favored recipients. > I'm the one advocating everybody receive an income. Yes, exactly. You’re advocating that some men with guns confiscate the income of the working class and give it to people whom you have deemed more deserving. You haven’t justified this, however. > Property law is a government program - it requires enforcement to exist, aka the law. Property is temporally and logically antecedent to property law. > The principles of egalitarianism. According to egalitarian principles, you have no such right. > Libertarian ideology has broken your brain. Less of this, please. Make your case on the merits or move on.

Keep in mind capitalism systematically creates poverty by depriving income to the ~50% of the population that are not full time workers (children, elderly, sick, disabled, unemployed, students, etc).

chordalkeyboard 6y ago

> capitalism systematically creates poverty by depriving income to the ~50% of the population that are not full time workers What income are they depriving them from? If they aren’t working, how could anyone deprive them of an income that doesn’t exist?

djrobstep 6y ago
??? That is literally what deprivation means - the thing you need is absent. The deprivation is enforced through a large government program called "property law".
- chordalkeyboard 6y ago
  > That is literally what deprivation means - the thing you need is absent. “Deprivation” is the act or process of removing. You’re claiming someone removed the income, but they haven’t done anything to create an income. There’s no income from which to deprive them because they haven’t done anything to generate an income. > The deprivation happens through a large government program called "property law". That doesn’t make sense, the way I understand it, property law codifies the rules around the things that people own. That’s preventing owners from being deprived. You’re asserting that laws which forbid depriving people of property are the mechanism by which they are deprived? How does that work?
  - djrobstep 6y ago
    > but they haven’t done anything to create an income "People who don't work full time should starve" is ideology, not some law of physics. > There’s no income from which to deprive them There is plenty. US GDP is trillions a year. > How does that work? Property law creates property ownership. Ownership assigned to one person is deprived from others.
    - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
      > "People who don't work full time should starve" is ideology, not some law of physics. “People are entitled to other people’s labor” is ideology as well. However claiming that someone has been deprived of something that never existed in the first place is just nonsense. > There is plenty. US GDP is trillions a year. So you’re suggesting we deprive people of their income because of your ideology? > Property law creates property ownership. Negative, ownership creates property law. > Ownership assigned to one person is deprived from others. So how do you justify assigning ownership to certain people? What gives you the right to deprive people of their income?
      - djrobstep 6y ago
        > “People are entitled to other people’s labor” is ideology as well. You make a powerful critique of capital income and inheritance law. > So you’re suggesting we deprive people of their income because of your ideology? You're the one advocating we systematically deprive people of income. I'm the one advocating everybody receive an income. > Negative, ownership creates property law. Libertarian ideology has broken your brain. Property law is a government program - it requires enforcement to exist, aka the law. > So how do you justify assigning ownership to certain people? The principles of egalitarianism.
        chordalkeyboard 6y ago
        > You make a powerful critique of capital income and inheritance law. You must have missed the part about entitlement to others’ labor, as inheritance is a transfer initiated by the owner of the property, and capital income is a voluntary exchange by all parties. > You're the one advocating we systematically deprive people of income. No, that was you who suggested that US GDP could be expropriated from its owners and redistributed to your favored recipients. > I'm the one advocating everybody receive an income. Yes, exactly. You’re advocating that some men with guns confiscate the income of the working class and give it to people whom you have deemed more deserving. You haven’t justified this, however. > Property law is a government program - it requires enforcement to exist, aka the law. Property is temporally and logically antecedent to property law. > The principles of egalitarianism. According to egalitarian principles, you have no such right. > Libertarian ideology has broken your brain. Less of this, please. Make your case on the merits or move on.