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If you're trying to cancel out a loud 100dB+ environment, that means the driver needs to be blasting at at least 100dB. Any harmonic distortion in the headphon

If you're trying to cancel out a loud 100dB+ environment, that means the driver needs to be blasting at at least 100dB. Any harmonic distortion in the headphones will be introduced relative this, as well as being in the higher frequencies where it's less noticable, but still may cause hearing loss. I've used ANC IEMs instead of proper hearing protection around loud machinery before and although it may have felt quieter, my ears still "rang" afterwards so I was causing permanent hearing damage. People who think ANC "sounds quieter" and use it instead of proper hearing protection (or just turn the music too loud) will definitely suffer hearing loss, though not directly because of the ANC. I am not an audiologist, but an interesting similar issue happens with our eyes. If you wear tinted lenses with no UV filter, your body will be happy that it looks darker, and open your iris more. Now since your iris is open more, you actually cause more UV damage to your eye without noticing. I remember this being a big story when polarized 3D movie glasses came out and people were keeping them on outdoors.

chii 6y ago
> If you're trying to cancel out a loud 100dB+ i dont think it's feasible to cancel out such loud noise using just ANC. A sealed, airtight headset (or those tight earplugs) would have to be used. If you're using ANC for such loud noises, you'd still hear the noise through your bones/face imho. For example, if a car beeped its horn at you while using ANC, i hear it. ANC is merely for constant low background noise like airplane engine.
- NathanielK 6y ago
  ANC doesn't ever provide perfect isolation. If you see advertisements ANC it will say "blocks 99% of sound" or "cancels 99.9% of noise" which is equivalent to a 20dB and 30dB drop respectively. You're right though that it doesn't work as well at high volumes. The louder the noise, the more distortion in the microphone/amplifier/driver, so the efficacy of the noise cancelling is reduced. For example in this THD graph of the AirPod Pro's, at 100dB it adds approximately 3dB compare to the 90dBtest.[1] Going much louder and you'll start getting digital clippings as the built in amplifier won't have enough range. > . For example, if a car beeped its horn at you while using ANC, i hear it. Car horns are above 100dB, and at the frequency they are, APD only measures about 20dB of attenuation [2], so that only brings it down to 80dB, which is still very loud. > ANC is merely for constant low background noise like airplane engine. What I find very neat is that even though only 20-30dB of isolation is measured, many noises really do "go away". If you play around with ANC you'll realize that as the background noise gets louder, the white noise hiss from the ear piece gets louder. This mostly the result of error in the system, but this increase in background noise has the effect of masking any external sounds that make it through. I believe it also moves a lot of that energy to higher frequencies where you don't notice it. [1] https://www.rtings.com/headphones/1-4/graph#1625/4029 https://www.rtings.com/headphones/1-4/graph#1625/4029 [2] https://www.rtings.com/headphones/1-4/graph#1625/4053 https://www.rtings.com/headphones/1-4/graph#1625/4053

chii 6y ago

> If you're trying to cancel out a loud 100dB+ i dont think it's feasible to cancel out such loud noise using just ANC. A sealed, airtight headset (or those tight earplugs) would have to be used. If you're using ANC for such loud noises, you'd still hear the noise through your bones/face imho. For example, if a car beeped its horn at you while using ANC, i hear it. ANC is merely for constant low background noise like airplane engine.

NathanielK 6y ago
ANC doesn't ever provide perfect isolation. If you see advertisements ANC it will say "blocks 99% of sound" or "cancels 99.9% of noise" which is equivalent to a 20dB and 30dB drop respectively. You're right though that it doesn't work as well at high volumes. The louder the noise, the more distortion in the microphone/amplifier/driver, so the efficacy of the noise cancelling is reduced. For example in this THD graph of the AirPod Pro's, at 100dB it adds approximately 3dB compare to the 90dBtest.[1] Going much louder and you'll start getting digital clippings as the built in amplifier won't have enough range. > . For example, if a car beeped its horn at you while using ANC, i hear it. Car horns are above 100dB, and at the frequency they are, APD only measures about 20dB of attenuation [2], so that only brings it down to 80dB, which is still very loud. > ANC is merely for constant low background noise like airplane engine. What I find very neat is that even though only 20-30dB of isolation is measured, many noises really do "go away". If you play around with ANC you'll realize that as the background noise gets louder, the white noise hiss from the ear piece gets louder. This mostly the result of error in the system, but this increase in background noise has the effect of masking any external sounds that make it through. I believe it also moves a lot of that energy to higher frequencies where you don't notice it. [1] https://www.rtings.com/headphones/1-4/graph#1625/4029 https://www.rtings.com/headphones/1-4/graph#1625/4029 [2] https://www.rtings.com/headphones/1-4/graph#1625/4053 https://www.rtings.com/headphones/1-4/graph#1625/4053