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Anger and Fear as Asian American Seniors Targeted in Bay Area Attacks
- Bostonian 6y agoIf you are unwilling to provide pertinent details about a problem, you are less likely to solve it. In the videos of the attacks I have seen, the assailants have been black. The article does not mention that. White racism is recognized as a problem by the media when it manifests itself. The same should be true of black racism.
- draw_down 6y agoAgreed, but don’t hold your breath for that to happen. This can be blamed on white racism/white supremacy all day, but to suggest that there has been some particular commonality among perpetrators... too spicy.
- dtwest 6y agoThey very subtly suggest it here: "In the wake of the attacks several Oakland city council members including Council President Nikki Fortunato Bas, whose district includes Chinatown, have joined social justice groups warning against scapegoating and calling for solidarity between Asian American and African American communities." What I find more interesting though is this passage: "It's not clear, however, that race or ethnicity played any role in the attack. "There is no evidence of motive related to hate," says the DA's spokesperson, Rachel Marshall, adding "the case is still under investigation.""
- ghufran_syed 6y ago“ Yahya Muslim, 28, was charged with assault, battery and elder abuse. He has not been charged with hate crimes. Muslim already had two prior felony assault convictions, according to the Alameda County Sheriff and district attorney offices.” I have no idea what this guy’s ethnicity was, but the fact he was not charged with a hate crime completely undermines the argument of the posted article
- yeetawayhn 6y agoAlso the suspect names give it away: Antoine Watson Yahya Muslim
- jimbob45 6y agoBut there’s no reason to think that blacks in particular have a problem with Asians. I’m guessing 99% of us figured this was an income-level (class) thing at first glance but they didn’t mention their income levels either.
- Bostonian 6y agoI see that my comment was flagged. I am logging out and leaving the forum for a while.
- jimbob45 6y agoWasn’t me. Flagging doesn’t indicate that you were empirically wrong, just that someone isn’t willing to engage you in a fair fight (or that you did something illegal lol)
- yeetawayhn 6y ago>I’m guessing 99% of us figured this was an income-level (class) thing at first glance but they didn’t mention their income levels either. They did mention where they found the suspect: >A tactical unit served the warrant and arrested Watson and Goo at a home on the 500 block of Lisbon Street in Daly City around 8:45 p.m. Saturday. Zillow reports that block as having million dollar homes.
- Bucephalus355 6y agoI believe 4 Japanese-Americans in 3 separate attacks were killed the day of Pearl Harbor in SF. Police were deployed to protect the community, but this was not until the afternoon of December 8th. https://www.nytimes.com/1941/12/08/archives/guam-bombed-army-ship-is-sunk-us-fliers-head-north-from-manila.html https://www.nytimes.com/1941/12/08/archives/guam-bombed-army...
- yumraj 6y agoDisclaimer: I'm an Indian, so a person of color. [Edited: I had said Asian before and there was some resistance to that] Is there data to support that these are indeed racially motivated and not something else, especially due to economy and unemployment and just the fact that seniors are easy targets? How many such muggings and incidents happened during the same period against people of other races? Was the rate of crimes against other races the same and only increased against the Asians?
- eznzt 6y ago> Disclaimer: I'm an Indian, so an Asian. That's not exactly how "Asian" works.
- yumraj 6y agoLast I checked India was in Asia. Secondly, I'm in the Bay Area, if that was not evident. Third, Manju Kulkarni quoted in the article as Manju Kulkarni, executive director of the Asian Pacific Policy and Planning Council is also of Indian decent. So, yes, I'm an Asian. BTW, if you go to UK, people from Indian sub-continent are referred to as Asians..
- staticautomatic 6y agoSure, but aren’t East and Southeast Asians mainly at issue here?
- hungryhobo 6y agogenetically i'd say indians are more caucasian than asian
- brokencode 6y agoThis makes no sense, because Indians are literally and indisputably from Asia. What is Asian genetics but the genetics of people who live in Asia? Asian is not a specific nationality or people, and applies to the people of any Asian country.
- just-juan-post 6y agoAs someone over in /r/stupidpol pointed out the media headlines say "attacks" when in reality it's "muggings against the elderly" The first headline gets outrage clicks, the second doesn't.
- darth_avocado 6y agoErr, out of all these incidents, half of them were not muggings and just elderly just being pushed and shoved to the ground.
- dtn 6y agoMuggings are attacks. Am I missing something?
- runsWphotons 6y agohttps://www.ktvu.com/news/suspect-arrested-in-deadly-attack-on-84-year-old-man-in-san-francisco https://www.ktvu.com/news/suspect-arrested-in-deadly-attack-...
- julienb_sea 6y agoThis article has absolutely zero actual description of motive regarding these assaults. They wax poetic about the outgoing administration's stoking of racist tensions regarding COVID's origins, which they have little actual evidence is related to the assaults. It might be worth mentioning reduced police presence & funding, a direct response to racial politics and protests throughout 2020. I don't think that explanation aligns with the author's worldview...
- brokencode 6y agoYou honestly think people are tackling senior citizens just because there are fewer police officers to stop them? You might be the one with a questionable worldview here, not the author.
- julienb_sea 6y agoThe article calls out multiple thefts, i.e. economically motivated crimes of opportunity. Classifying this as a hate crime justifies shifting blame and focus away from means of preventing and prosecuting crimes of opportunity.
- ratsmack 6y agoAttacking the weak and elderly is a pretty hateful thing to do.
- xboxnolifes 6y agoHate has nothing to do with it if it's economically motivated.
- ratsmack 6y agoCalling it "economically motivated" diminish the heinous act of mugging and theft, which is predatory and driven from greed and wanton disregard for others rights and property.
- darth_avocado 6y ago> The Oakland Anti Police-Terror Project has asked people "to wear yellow to show you're in support of Chinatown seniors and businesses." Ohh man do I wish they had picked another color.
- ratsmack 6y agoThat's kinda funny, but sad that someone may be actually offended by this.
- darth_avocado 6y agoTo be clear, I'm not offended, just, it could have been avoided.
- kgc 6y agoI see there is confusion here about what Asian refers to. In the US, it's East Asian. In Europe it includes the Indian sub-continent (and by extension, every other country on the Asian continent, despite huge racial differences). But on HN, perhaps we should just reference countries instead of continents?
- nelsonmandela 6y agoReminds me of the knockout game Sooner or later you realise its a cultural problem, not an economic one
- mimikatz 6y agoSadly, one no one wants to look head on and talk about
- known 6y agoIndians/Hindus/Brahmin inject Casteism into society where ever they go; Casteism is worse than Racism; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varna_(Hinduism) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varna_(Hinduism) Casteism = Racism + Slavery https://archive.is/mPsqz https://archive.is/mPsqz Manju Kulkarni, executive director of the Asian Pacific Policy and Planning Council, a coalition of California community-based groups is a Brahmin; https://www.quora.com/Which-caste-is-looting-India/answers/220938900 https://www.quora.com/Which-caste-is-looting-India/answers/2...
- known 6y agoIndian diaspora is running an Organized MAFIA in America https://www.petition2congress.com/20324/expel-indian-americans-from-usa https://www.petition2congress.com/20324/expel-indian-america...
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