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Although open-source, most people use VSCode with some proprietary plugins. This is definitely not good, especially considering microsoft long history of abuse

Although open-source, most people use VSCode with some proprietary plugins. This is definitely not good, especially considering microsoft long history of abuse of monopolies through all its history and even recently: https://betanews.com/2021/02/08/linux-based-raspberry-pi-os-secret-microsoft-repo/#:~:text=Raspberry%20Pi%20owners%20are%20being,home%20to%20the%20company's%20servers https://betanews.com/2021/02/08/linux-based-raspberry-pi-os-.... We need IDEs that are not controlled by companies.

fartcannon 6y ago
You don't even really need an IDE.
- derefr 6y ago
  As someone who tends to write Elixir (which, indeed, doesn’t really require an IDE), but has to sometimes help with coworkers’ Java code (where I just stubbornly continue to use my text editor, because it’s what I know): I’m probably being ridiculous, and wasting a lot of time that learning an IDE would pay back nearly immediately†. I see how much more quickly my coworkers can hack on the Java codebase than I can; it’s ridiculous. If I was my own employee, and working on Java projects all day, and continued to stubbornly use a non-IDE, I’d fire me, because that level of deliberate time-wasting is basically malfeasance. † Especially for calculating imports, and constructing type declarations. (Y’know, the stuff that more succinct static languages use compile-time inference to achieve.)
  - marcodiego 6y ago
    It is particularly difficult to be productive in modern java without an advanced, jetbrains-like, IDE. That is almost a language "feature".
    - randomsearch 6y ago
      I think the language permits the IDE rather than the other way around.
  - flipcoder 6y ago
    I don't know about nano but Vim has many autocomplete plugins
greyandgreen 6y ago
Agreed. I use vi and nano (light scripting) and nothing else. There are so many cool things that vi can do, but most here know this. I don't want my hand held when I'm writing lines of code. I cut my teeth under an old grey beard sysadmin/programmer over 2 decades ago, so I appreciate learning the hard way. This method is not for everyone, and I can appreciate some people liking Git being built in or autocomplete, etc., but it's not for me. I do like syntax highlighting and line numbers, but not much else. I like being a little slower, more deliberate, and debugging my own code. Honestly, even when I'm coding, I'm rarely writing more than 20-30 lines of code a day anyway. There are so many other things I need to focus on like documentation, etc., that having an editor that holds my hand actually slows me down.

fartcannon 6y ago

You don't even really need an IDE.

derefr 6y ago
As someone who tends to write Elixir (which, indeed, doesn’t really require an IDE), but has to sometimes help with coworkers’ Java code (where I just stubbornly continue to use my text editor, because it’s what I know): I’m probably being ridiculous, and wasting a lot of time that learning an IDE would pay back nearly immediately†. I see how much more quickly my coworkers can hack on the Java codebase than I can; it’s ridiculous. If I was my own employee, and working on Java projects all day, and continued to stubbornly use a non-IDE, I’d fire me, because that level of deliberate time-wasting is basically malfeasance. † Especially for calculating imports, and constructing type declarations. (Y’know, the stuff that more succinct static languages use compile-time inference to achieve.)
- marcodiego 6y ago
  It is particularly difficult to be productive in modern java without an advanced, jetbrains-like, IDE. That is almost a language "feature".
  - randomsearch 6y ago
    I think the language permits the IDE rather than the other way around.
- flipcoder 6y ago
  I don't know about nano but Vim has many autocomplete plugins

greyandgreen 6y ago

Agreed. I use vi and nano (light scripting) and nothing else. There are so many cool things that vi can do, but most here know this. I don't want my hand held when I'm writing lines of code. I cut my teeth under an old grey beard sysadmin/programmer over 2 decades ago, so I appreciate learning the hard way. This method is not for everyone, and I can appreciate some people liking Git being built in or autocomplete, etc., but it's not for me. I do like syntax highlighting and line numbers, but not much else. I like being a little slower, more deliberate, and debugging my own code. Honestly, even when I'm coding, I'm rarely writing more than 20-30 lines of code a day anyway. There are so many other things I need to focus on like documentation, etc., that having an editor that holds my hand actually slows me down.