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>Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s spokesman said London had already supplied the necessary paperwork and was “one of the world’s most pre-eminent financial centre

>Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s spokesman said London had already supplied the necessary paperwork and was “one of the world’s most pre-eminent financial centres, with a strong regulatory system”, adding that fragmenting markets was in no one’s interests. Was there some part of Vote Leave that didn't have to do with fragmenting markets and evading a strong regulatory system?

estaseuropano 6y ago
The leave campaign was about 'control' and getting foreigners out. I guess there was little actual thinking on what that means for an economy based mainly on services and in particular financial services. The UK lost any chance to get a good trade deal when the prime minister said he'd make the country a tax haven if the EU doesn't sign a deal and introduced legislation breaking the agreement before the agreement was even in force. Then complain and blame the EU for everything afterwards as Britain has always done. ~40 years in the block spent blocking any social legislation or further integration...
- Pet_Ant 6y ago
  Honestly that it why most marriages fail. Fundamentally different expectations and ignoring them and hoping they'll come around. Better off seperate; I'm excited to see the future of the EU without those who don't want to be there.
thu2111 6y ago
No. The Leave campaign was not about synchronisation of minor trading regulations when there's no real disagreement over policy. Plenty of Leave supporters and campaigners actually support that strongly, hence the divisions within that camp over whether to try and become a part of the EEA. The UK's position is that lack of trade barriers does not require an ideological project to convert all of Europe into a single country under the rule of a non-democratic, unelected and all powerful executive branch, which is openly and proudly the goal of the EU project. That's why the same government that's (now) committed to Brexit is quite happy to consider joining Asian free trade zones. As for a "strong" regulatory system, the whole world just got to see in crystal clear detail what that looks like in the medical area. Pointless delays, failed obfuscation of contracts, lying about the contents of those same contracts, imposing hard borders on Northern Ireland without even bothering to tell the countries in question and then immediately backpedalling. There's no strength in this system, just incompetence, chaos and greed.
- 1shooner 6y ago
  Just an aside, this is why I enjoy HN: an actual informative counterpoint to my casual pot-shot.
- disgruntledphd2 6y ago
  > non-democratic, unelected and all powerful executive branch This is just not true. The EU is run by the Council of Ministers primarily (who are the national ministers of the member states), with a side-order of democracy from the European parliament. If you're going to argue about something, please choose an accurate thing to argue about. > imposing hard borders on Northern Ireland without even bothering to tell the countries in question and then immediately backpedalling Again, this isn't what happened. One interpretation of a proposed order would have necessitated some kind of border. The Republic of Ireland vociferously objected, and the proposal was withdrawn. That being said, I think the EU could be a lot better, and am deeply sorry that the UK left (especially vis-a-vis the consequences for Northern Ireland).
  - thu2111 6y ago
    I am completely accurate. The Council of Ministers does not run the EU. The EU is run by the Commission. Where does EU law come from - it comes from the Commission. Not the Council nor the Parliament (which means, it's not a Parliament). If the Council ran the EU then EU law would come from there, but it never does. The power to make law is the ultimate power, the source of all government power. The Council is in contrast a sideshow. Nobody even knows what they talk about. And the Commission is entirely undemocratic. How was von der Leyen selected again? Nobody can say. Oh, there was a vote. It was a vote in the EU Parliament in which vDL was the only candidate on the ballot sheet. That's not a democracy, is it? Again, this isn't what happened. One interpretation of a proposed order would have necessitated some kind of border. The Republic of Ireland vociferously objected, and the proposal was withdrawn. Are you aware that the Commission was condemned by everyone across the board including its own diplomats? The order wasn't proposed, it was made and the only possible interpretation was for a hard border, hence the immediate and strong objections. That, after 4 years of the EU constantly claiming a border in NI would create terrorism and must never happen at any cost.

estaseuropano 6y ago

The leave campaign was about 'control' and getting foreigners out. I guess there was little actual thinking on what that means for an economy based mainly on services and in particular financial services. The UK lost any chance to get a good trade deal when the prime minister said he'd make the country a tax haven if the EU doesn't sign a deal and introduced legislation breaking the agreement before the agreement was even in force. Then complain and blame the EU for everything afterwards as Britain has always done. ~40 years in the block spent blocking any social legislation or further integration...

Pet_Ant 6y ago
Honestly that it why most marriages fail. Fundamentally different expectations and ignoring them and hoping they'll come around. Better off seperate; I'm excited to see the future of the EU without those who don't want to be there.

thu2111 6y ago

No. The Leave campaign was not about synchronisation of minor trading regulations when there's no real disagreement over policy. Plenty of Leave supporters and campaigners actually support that strongly, hence the divisions within that camp over whether to try and become a part of the EEA. The UK's position is that lack of trade barriers does not require an ideological project to convert all of Europe into a single country under the rule of a non-democratic, unelected and all powerful executive branch, which is openly and proudly the goal of the EU project. That's why the same government that's (now) committed to Brexit is quite happy to consider joining Asian free trade zones. As for a "strong" regulatory system, the whole world just got to see in crystal clear detail what that looks like in the medical area. Pointless delays, failed obfuscation of contracts, lying about the contents of those same contracts, imposing hard borders on Northern Ireland without even bothering to tell the countries in question and then immediately backpedalling. There's no strength in this system, just incompetence, chaos and greed.

1shooner 6y ago
Just an aside, this is why I enjoy HN: an actual informative counterpoint to my casual pot-shot.
disgruntledphd2 6y ago
> non-democratic, unelected and all powerful executive branch This is just not true. The EU is run by the Council of Ministers primarily (who are the national ministers of the member states), with a side-order of democracy from the European parliament. If you're going to argue about something, please choose an accurate thing to argue about. > imposing hard borders on Northern Ireland without even bothering to tell the countries in question and then immediately backpedalling Again, this isn't what happened. One interpretation of a proposed order would have necessitated some kind of border. The Republic of Ireland vociferously objected, and the proposal was withdrawn. That being said, I think the EU could be a lot better, and am deeply sorry that the UK left (especially vis-a-vis the consequences for Northern Ireland).
- thu2111 6y ago
  I am completely accurate. The Council of Ministers does not run the EU. The EU is run by the Commission. Where does EU law come from - it comes from the Commission. Not the Council nor the Parliament (which means, it's not a Parliament). If the Council ran the EU then EU law would come from there, but it never does. The power to make law is the ultimate power, the source of all government power. The Council is in contrast a sideshow. Nobody even knows what they talk about. And the Commission is entirely undemocratic. How was von der Leyen selected again? Nobody can say. Oh, there was a vote. It was a vote in the EU Parliament in which vDL was the only candidate on the ballot sheet. That's not a democracy, is it? Again, this isn't what happened. One interpretation of a proposed order would have necessitated some kind of border. The Republic of Ireland vociferously objected, and the proposal was withdrawn. Are you aware that the Commission was condemned by everyone across the board including its own diplomats? The order wasn't proposed, it was made and the only possible interpretation was for a hard border, hence the immediate and strong objections. That, after 4 years of the EU constantly claiming a border in NI would create terrorism and must never happen at any cost.