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Meta. Is this a common usage of .af domains?

by fuzzythinker 6y ago

pc86 6y ago
I only came here to comment that the domain name was fantastic for this usage.
- zwp 6y ago
  Afghanistan? Air force? Uh, as fuck? Really? I'm not prudish about words but .lol would've been clearer.
  - pc86 6y ago
    Maybe they tried that first but found out it was registered 3 years ago, and for some reason just redirects to this article: https://www.theregister.com/2017/10/17/docker_ee_kubernetes_support/ https://www.theregister.com/2017/10/17/docker_ee_kubernetes_...
- yongjik 6y ago
  Maybe I should mutter[1] "That's Kubernetes as fuck" next time I see another shenanigans involving multiple overcomplicated layers with confusing documentation interacting with each other in a way nobody can figure out. [1] Just to myself, of course.
  - jrockway 6y ago
    Is Kubernetes really overcomplicated, though? Say you wanted to do a release of a new version of your app. You'd probably boot up a VM for the new version, provision it an IP, copy your code to it, and check if it's healthy. Then you'd edit your load balancer configuration to send traffic to that new IP, and drain traffic from the old IP. Then you'd shut the old instance down. That's basically what a Deployment in Kubernetes would do; create a Pod to provision compute resources and an IP, pull a container to copy your code into the environment, run a health check to see if that all went OK, and then update the Service's Endpoints to start sending it traffic. Then it would drain the old Pod in a reverse of starting a new one, perhaps running your configured cleanup steps along the way. The difference between the example and what Kubernetes does is that Kubernetes is a computer program that can do this thousands of times for you without really making you think about getting the details right every time. Doesn't seem overly complicated to me. A lot of stuff? Sure. But it's pretty close to the right level of complexity. (Some may argue that this is even too simple. What about blue/green testing? What about canaries? When do my database migrations run? Kubernetes has no answer, and if it did, it certainly wouldn't make it simpler. Perhaps the real problem is that Kubernetes isn't complicated enough!) Anyway, "that's Kubernetes as fuck" is kind of a good meme. I'll give you that. But a deep understanding usually makes memes less amusing.
    - jjtheblunt 6y ago
      > Is Kubernetes really overcomplicated, though? I imagine that a million voices read that and silently, immediately, think "yes, it is." and then giggle without commenting.
      - Aeolun 6y ago
        Now we have your comment to upvote instead :)
      - dberg 6y ago
        how is this even a question in 2021
      - dilyevsky 6y ago
        Those people clearly haven’t tried to setup vm live migration or done anything with openstack. Or deployed things at scale on Borg or Tupperware. I can go on...
    - yongjik 6y ago
      I think we can draw parallels between C and Kubernetes - C can be an ideal tool for some stuff, and it's theoretically possible to write a secure program in C. However, there's a reason why people keep saying that it's practically impossible to write C securely. C provides so many gotchas and footguns that it's not even funny. Unless your problem space really demands it, there's not much reason to use C other than "I love to live dangerously." Similarly, Kubernetes can be an ideal choice for some people. It may even be an OK choice for some others. But there are many for whom there's no reason to use k8s other than "another shiny item on my resume."
    - xorcist 6y ago
      > That's basically what a Deployment in Kubernetes would do If that what was Kubernetes did, then we wouldn't be having this discussion. What you describe is more like what something like Ansible does. Provision, health check, flip load balancer.
    - C4stor 6y ago
- plange 6y ago
  Donated by Joe Beda himself.
  - jbeda 6y ago
    Heh - yeah. Henning does all the hard work of curating these. But I had the domain sitting around and figured that it was a good use of it. Sharing and learning through stories like this is how systems get better.
karlding 6y ago
There's also contained.af [0], Jessie Frazelle's educational container-based CTF. [0] https://contained.af/ https://contained.af/
walrus01 6y ago
Registering a .af domain is a lot easier and less costly if you're an Afghan citizen and speak Dari or Pashto. There's a way to do it and pay in person in Kabul. Right now, the entire NIC website only answers at http://nic.af http://nic.af , if you prefix it with www it appears to be down. It's not very common yet because the .af registry is not really set up to work with high volume, fully automated third party domain registrars.

Meta. Is this a common usage of .af domains?

pc86 6y ago

I only came here to comment that the domain name was fantastic for this usage.

zwp 6y ago
Afghanistan? Air force? Uh, as fuck? Really? I'm not prudish about words but .lol would've been clearer.
- pc86 6y ago
  Maybe they tried that first but found out it was registered 3 years ago, and for some reason just redirects to this article: https://www.theregister.com/2017/10/17/docker_ee_kubernetes_support/ https://www.theregister.com/2017/10/17/docker_ee_kubernetes_...
yongjik 6y ago
Maybe I should mutter[1] "That's Kubernetes as fuck" next time I see another shenanigans involving multiple overcomplicated layers with confusing documentation interacting with each other in a way nobody can figure out. [1] Just to myself, of course.
- jrockway 6y ago
  Is Kubernetes really overcomplicated, though? Say you wanted to do a release of a new version of your app. You'd probably boot up a VM for the new version, provision it an IP, copy your code to it, and check if it's healthy. Then you'd edit your load balancer configuration to send traffic to that new IP, and drain traffic from the old IP. Then you'd shut the old instance down. That's basically what a Deployment in Kubernetes would do; create a Pod to provision compute resources and an IP, pull a container to copy your code into the environment, run a health check to see if that all went OK, and then update the Service's Endpoints to start sending it traffic. Then it would drain the old Pod in a reverse of starting a new one, perhaps running your configured cleanup steps along the way. The difference between the example and what Kubernetes does is that Kubernetes is a computer program that can do this thousands of times for you without really making you think about getting the details right every time. Doesn't seem overly complicated to me. A lot of stuff? Sure. But it's pretty close to the right level of complexity. (Some may argue that this is even too simple. What about blue/green testing? What about canaries? When do my database migrations run? Kubernetes has no answer, and if it did, it certainly wouldn't make it simpler. Perhaps the real problem is that Kubernetes isn't complicated enough!) Anyway, "that's Kubernetes as fuck" is kind of a good meme. I'll give you that. But a deep understanding usually makes memes less amusing.
  - jjtheblunt 6y ago
    > Is Kubernetes really overcomplicated, though? I imagine that a million voices read that and silently, immediately, think "yes, it is." and then giggle without commenting.
    - Aeolun 6y ago
      Now we have your comment to upvote instead :)
    - dberg 6y ago
      how is this even a question in 2021
    - dilyevsky 6y ago
      Those people clearly haven’t tried to setup vm live migration or done anything with openstack. Or deployed things at scale on Borg or Tupperware. I can go on...
  - yongjik 6y ago
    I think we can draw parallels between C and Kubernetes - C can be an ideal tool for some stuff, and it's theoretically possible to write a secure program in C. However, there's a reason why people keep saying that it's practically impossible to write C securely. C provides so many gotchas and footguns that it's not even funny. Unless your problem space really demands it, there's not much reason to use C other than "I love to live dangerously." Similarly, Kubernetes can be an ideal choice for some people. It may even be an OK choice for some others. But there are many for whom there's no reason to use k8s other than "another shiny item on my resume."
  - xorcist 6y ago
    > That's basically what a Deployment in Kubernetes would do If that what was Kubernetes did, then we wouldn't be having this discussion. What you describe is more like what something like Ansible does. Provision, health check, flip load balancer.
  - C4stor 6y ago
plange 6y ago
Donated by Joe Beda himself.
- jbeda 6y ago
  Heh - yeah. Henning does all the hard work of curating these. But I had the domain sitting around and figured that it was a good use of it. Sharing and learning through stories like this is how systems get better.

karlding 6y ago

There's also contained.af [0], Jessie Frazelle's educational container-based CTF. [0] https://contained.af/ https://contained.af/

walrus01 6y ago

Registering a .af domain is a lot easier and less costly if you're an Afghan citizen and speak Dari or Pashto. There's a way to do it and pay in person in Kabul. Right now, the entire NIC website only answers at http://nic.af http://nic.af , if you prefix it with www it appears to be down. It's not very common yet because the .af registry is not really set up to work with high volume, fully automated third party domain registrars.