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Fuchsia's not a real thing and it's never going to be. You don't have to worry about it, it's just a make-work project for some people at google to feel cool.

dane-pgp 6y ago
More likely, Google have done threat modelling of their entire business and worked out that if there was ever some legal problem with using Linux (like the infamous SCO case), the amount of economic damage it would do to them would be more than whatever resources they are spending on coming up with an alternative (which will hopefully never need to be used). Also, just as Chrome gave them a seat at the table of web standardisation, and a chance to try new ideas that didn't have to go through Mozilla's approval process, having a kernel of their own allows them to influence the OS design space in ways that are more aligned to their business goals, and without needing Linus's approval.
- linuxftw 6y ago
  They can use BSD to build whatever they want if they're worried about the GPL. I think that someone at google built fuschia for the sake of building it. Their core business is still search, that's all Android is. If they launch their own fuschia based handset, people are unlikely to switch, OEMs are unlikely to switch. It's just a failed concept.
  - cycloptic 6y ago
    See some of the sibling comments, fuchsia is BSD-licensed and has a new design not based on any Unix.
    - linuxftw 6y ago
      I'm talking about BSD the operating system concerning the OP's assertion of managing risk. Last I checked (years ago), the userspace was implemented partially with musl, which reads > 'musl, pronounced like the word "mussel", is an MIT-licensed implementation of the standard C library targetting the Linux syscall API, Now, they're announcing running Linux programs on Fuchsia. Sure seems to me they're implementing a Unix-like system, even if their kernel was written from scratch. The BSD world doesn't consider the userspace very separate from the kernel space, it's all part of a single system. I would argue it's very much 'based on Unix' as soon as they start adding POSIX APIs. They're adding POSIX APIs because they work.
      - cycloptic 6y ago
        They're using a fork of musl for compatibility that omits some things: https://fuchsia.dev/fuchsia-src/concepts/system/libc https://fuchsia.dev/fuchsia-src/concepts/system/libc >Fuchsia does not require that programs use libc's ABI. Programs are free to use their own libc, or to do without. As has been said in other comments, it's not much different from Wine or Linux emulation in FreeBSD.
rvz 6y ago
I can take it from your username that you feel that Fuchsia is a threat to your beloved Linux Desktop to the point of having complete denial that the project is not real. It’s OK to be scared. But I’m afraid you have to someday accept that some of Big Tech is ‘using’ Linux as a stop gap to either create their own proprietary subsystems around it or a completely new OS compatible with Android for which they pretend ‘they care’ about Linux. They only care if it’s only for their interests as we can evidently see for Fuchsia Android support and WSL2 GPU hardware acceleration support.
- linuxftw 6y ago
  Just the opposite. I don't think Fuchsia is much of anything at all, let alone a threat. As far as Big Tech, EEE is a legitimate concern. As far as Google, they've demonstrated countless times they're not to be trusted. If someone does business with them, they are being foolish. Fortunately, outside of search and chrome, they're not very competent, so they're not much of a threat.
  - CleverLikeAnOx 6y ago
    What is an EEE? I am having trouble determining the meaning from context and I am having trouble searching for it.
    - saghm 6y ago
      I believe they're referring to the phrase "embrace, extend, extinguish": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace%2C_extend%2C_and_extinguish?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace%2C_extend%2C_and_extin...
  - edgyquant 6y ago
    I’m not sure how you can argue Fuchsia isn’t much of anything at all considering it’s mostly open source, you can see it’s development, and has came a long way since it was announced. You don’t want it to be much of anything but it is very real.
pitterpatter 6y ago
There are products already shipped that run fuchsia afaik.
- IshKebab 6y ago
  I think you're thinking of Flutter, which powers the Nest Hub (or so I heard). I don't think they ship anything with Fuchsia yet.

dane-pgp 6y ago

More likely, Google have done threat modelling of their entire business and worked out that if there was ever some legal problem with using Linux (like the infamous SCO case), the amount of economic damage it would do to them would be more than whatever resources they are spending on coming up with an alternative (which will hopefully never need to be used). Also, just as Chrome gave them a seat at the table of web standardisation, and a chance to try new ideas that didn't have to go through Mozilla's approval process, having a kernel of their own allows them to influence the OS design space in ways that are more aligned to their business goals, and without needing Linus's approval.

linuxftw 6y ago
They can use BSD to build whatever they want if they're worried about the GPL. I think that someone at google built fuschia for the sake of building it. Their core business is still search, that's all Android is. If they launch their own fuschia based handset, people are unlikely to switch, OEMs are unlikely to switch. It's just a failed concept.
- cycloptic 6y ago
  See some of the sibling comments, fuchsia is BSD-licensed and has a new design not based on any Unix.
  - linuxftw 6y ago
    I'm talking about BSD the operating system concerning the OP's assertion of managing risk. Last I checked (years ago), the userspace was implemented partially with musl, which reads > 'musl, pronounced like the word "mussel", is an MIT-licensed implementation of the standard C library targetting the Linux syscall API, Now, they're announcing running Linux programs on Fuchsia. Sure seems to me they're implementing a Unix-like system, even if their kernel was written from scratch. The BSD world doesn't consider the userspace very separate from the kernel space, it's all part of a single system. I would argue it's very much 'based on Unix' as soon as they start adding POSIX APIs. They're adding POSIX APIs because they work.
    - cycloptic 6y ago
      They're using a fork of musl for compatibility that omits some things: https://fuchsia.dev/fuchsia-src/concepts/system/libc https://fuchsia.dev/fuchsia-src/concepts/system/libc >Fuchsia does not require that programs use libc's ABI. Programs are free to use their own libc, or to do without. As has been said in other comments, it's not much different from Wine or Linux emulation in FreeBSD.

rvz 6y ago

I can take it from your username that you feel that Fuchsia is a threat to your beloved Linux Desktop to the point of having complete denial that the project is not real. It’s OK to be scared. But I’m afraid you have to someday accept that some of Big Tech is ‘using’ Linux as a stop gap to either create their own proprietary subsystems around it or a completely new OS compatible with Android for which they pretend ‘they care’ about Linux. They only care if it’s only for their interests as we can evidently see for Fuchsia Android support and WSL2 GPU hardware acceleration support.

linuxftw 6y ago
Just the opposite. I don't think Fuchsia is much of anything at all, let alone a threat. As far as Big Tech, EEE is a legitimate concern. As far as Google, they've demonstrated countless times they're not to be trusted. If someone does business with them, they are being foolish. Fortunately, outside of search and chrome, they're not very competent, so they're not much of a threat.
- CleverLikeAnOx 6y ago
  What is an EEE? I am having trouble determining the meaning from context and I am having trouble searching for it.
  - saghm 6y ago
    I believe they're referring to the phrase "embrace, extend, extinguish": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace%2C_extend%2C_and_extinguish?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace%2C_extend%2C_and_extin...
- edgyquant 6y ago
  I’m not sure how you can argue Fuchsia isn’t much of anything at all considering it’s mostly open source, you can see it’s development, and has came a long way since it was announced. You don’t want it to be much of anything but it is very real.

pitterpatter 6y ago

There are products already shipped that run fuchsia afaik.

IshKebab 6y ago
I think you're thinking of Flutter, which powers the Nest Hub (or so I heard). I don't think they ship anything with Fuchsia yet.