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Dyson : Air Products :: Beats : Audio Products Pretty much every Dyson product I've used, from the public bathroom air "blades" to the vacuums, seem like a gim

Dyson : Air Products :: Beats : Audio Products Pretty much every Dyson product I've used, from the public bathroom air "blades" to the vacuums, seem like a gimmicky, inferior products with a premium price tag. None of them do their intended job better than older, cheaper products in their category. I know James Dyson is regarded as a genius engineer, but the consumer product company bearing his name seems to be 99% marketing.

dominotw 6y ago
I currently use dyson v11 cordless vaccum. I am in the market for a new one, what do you recommend instead ? Price is not too much of concern for me ATM.
- ttul 6y ago
  Miele makes the best vacuums IMHO.
- AlexandrB 6y ago
  I really like my Miele canister vacuum. It's light, quiet, and powerful. I find bagless vacuums, including Dyson's, to be a pain in the butt to clean by comparison. However Miele is certainly not a good value brand either. I've never used a cordless vacuum, but I find the concept suspect for basic physics reasons. You're either giving up weight, power, or both compared to something you can plug into a wall.
  - ghaff 6y ago
    Even if you are giving something up for cordless--and I'm happy to stipulate you may be to some degree, there are a lot of situations where you want to do a quick touchup, clean up a spill, etc. and a cordless vacuum like a Dyson is so much quicker and easier. It's the same with a lot of battery-powered tools. They may not be quite as powerful as a corded or gasoline version but they're increasingly powerful enough, especially for relatively light duty use, and they're a lot more convenient.
  - Siecje 6y ago
    Is there a vacuum that doesn't have a battery but uses the same form factor? I don't mind plugging it in but I don't want to drag around another object I just want to use it like a swiffer.
- duxup 6y ago
  I've had a good experience with a Shark vacuum. It had high ratings from Consumer Reports. I bought one and found it did a great job with heavy carpet and rugs, and wood floors. It is easy to take apart, clean, etc.
  - phatfish 6y ago
    I have a Shark also, sub £200 (£170 i think), pretty sure a similar Dyson was easily twice the price. It is quite, light (its one of the hand held models) and certainly powerful enough for general use around the house.
    - duxup 6y ago
      Yeah the build quality really impressed me about the Shark. It's light, but has been really powerful, durable.
  - JamesSwift 6y ago
    Our Shark just died but it served honorably for about 10 years if I remember correctly. It was very affordable when we got it as well.
- EarthIsHome 6y ago
  It'll depend on your use case (square footage, majority carpet vs majority hardwoods with some rugs, etc). But as others have said, Miele is incredible. Sebo is another good one. They'll have specific models for your use case. You can browse /r/vacuumcleaners [0] for ideas. [0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/VacuumCleaners/ https://www.reddit.com/r/VacuumCleaners/
- SeanLuke 6y ago
  Miele. They last forever and are much cleaner, lighter, and more powerful than equivalent Dysons.
- ooboe 6y ago
  I have used a Miele bagged cannister and a Dyson bagless cannister, both corded, and a variety of cheaper units. Miele all the way.
city41 6y ago
I think Dyson is the best example that shows marketing really works. I've yet to find a single Dyson product of quality. Their vacuums are downright terrible.
- Amasuriel 6y ago
  I'm surprised to hear that sentiment about the vacuums in particular! I found the v11 I bought to be vastly better than previous vacuums I've owned, with excellent power despite being cordless, really light and much much quieter. I haven't used any other Dyson products; I opted to buy Rabbit air purifiers over a Dyson Air.
  - SeanLuke 6y ago
    Miele. Every Miele I've found is superior, hands down, to its Dyson equivalent.
    - tomjakubowski 6y ago
      Maybe true for corded vacuums, but the Dyson cordless models have superior battery life.
      - city41 6y ago
        It's actually the cordless ones in particular that I think are so terrible. They get jammed just about every time you use them, the max button gets stuck, the battery doesn't last, etc. I struggle to think of a positive for them if I'm honest. We've owned two of them and have vowed never again.
- sremani 6y ago
  Dyson proves we care about beautiful things. Aesthetics matter.
  - fomine3 6y ago
    This is most weird point for Dyson. Why their design considered good? IMO it's like Evangelion, why Evangalion for home appliance?
dirktheman 6y ago
Yes, we have the vacuum on a stick at work. It's a cheap plastic thing that looks like a sex toy for Buck Rogers and it doesn't perform nearly as well as the Numatic Henry we have at home.
- rblatz 6y ago
  We have the Dyson v10 animal vacuum stick and use it daily to clean up after our 1 year old. It’s fantastic, easy to use, strong suction, easy to empty/clean. I’m thinking of buying a second for our upstairs.
- kelvie 6y ago
  We also have a Real vacuum (the numatic, we have a George but same thing), as well as a dyson v7. The dyson's are bagless but they have to be emptied all the time, and the maintenance is a lot more of a chore. I think the ideal mix would be to have a cordless dyson but with sort of a base that empties into a bagged vacuum, similar to the robot vacs nowadays that empties themselves and have a bag that can be thrown away once a month. Having to empty the dyson every 3 days sort of defeats the point of having a HEPA filter for allergy viewers.
  - simias 6y ago
    I have the same take. I had a cordless Dyson that worked okay, but I would spend a lot of time cleaning the rotating brush and crap getting stuck in the small inlet (which probably had to be small in order to get good suction with the smaller capacity of the battery-powered motor). And while it's bagless, with my cats I had to empty the canister a couple of times every time I cleaned the house. Now the power supply to the rotating brush seems to have died, I'll probably try to fix it eventually but I took the opportunity to buy a good old Henry as a replacement. It's got a huge bag, a huge filter, it's much more powerful and does a great job. Yeah, I have to buy bags, but they're cheap and that's basically the only maintenance I have to worry about.
sdfhbdf 6y ago
Interesting since the cordless vacuum (dyson v11) I use at home seem to work really well. The previous big corded model we had (Dyson DC33) was also built like a tank and served for almost 10 years before being passed on and still works so maybe I bought into marketing or maybe just different people have different experiences with Dyson products?
- tidepod12 6y ago
  Yea, it's weird reading this thread to me. I have a cordless Dyson vacuum and it is by far the best home vacuum I have ever used, both in terms of suction power (even compared to non-cordless ones) and in terms of other usability/features.
  - ljf 6y ago
    We must have had a dud as we got the Dyson animal hair one and it was terrible. Battery life was rubbish, the suction was crappy and the pick up just wasn't that good. Ended up getting a gtech which was fine for 2 adults in a small 2 bed house with wooden floors, but now we have kids and a bigger place we got a Shark corded and it is amazing. Literally the best vacuum we've ever owned.
    - ghaff 6y ago
      I'm not sure the cordless Dyson I have compares well to a good corded vacuum cleaner for cleaning power. But for me, I got one a couple of years ago (after thinking about getting a Roomba for the umpteenth time and concluding it wasn't for me) and it's been perfect for my use case. I normally have a housekeeper come by once a month. But the high traffic areas including the kitchen really need a quick vacuum now and then in between cleanings and the Dyson's been perfect for that. I hated having to haul my corded vacuum out to do this. (So I mostly didn't.) Now it's literally a couple minutes work to grab the Dyson and give a quick cleanup.
      - ljf 6y ago
        Yeah, the gtech was a battery vacuum too, but placed the motor/impeller right next to the entrance of the device, no long pole. I wanted to love the Dyson because of what we paid for it, but I left me a bit meh. My folks have a corded Dyson now and it is a good machine, but I really feel the shark just wins. Man I am dull :p
4ggr0 6y ago
I love the public bathroom Dyson thingies. They kinda became a standard for me now, love how quickly they dry hands. Way better than paper, towels or weak fans. But yeah, the other stuff is a bit gimmicky.
- newsbinator 6y ago
  Those bathroom hand dryers do spread bacteria around at an alarming rate: https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-bacterial-horror-of-the-hot-air-hand-dryer-2018051113823 https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-bacterial-horror-of-...
  - cpmsmith 6y ago
    > the researchers attached high-efficiency particulate air (HEPA) filters to the dryers, which would eliminate most of the bacteria from the air passing through the dryer. As I recall, one of the selling features of the Dyson Airblade is that it has a HEPA filter built-in.
    - maxerickson 6y ago
      On the output?
    - KaiserPro 6y ago
      they might have a hepa filter, but the output drags a tonne of air with it. They are pretty unhygenic, but I'm not sure how bad it is compared to having wet hands.
      - sudosysgen 6y ago
        Maybe one could make an air drier that sucks air around the hands and into a filter instead of onto the hands?
- mchanson 6y ago
  I hate them. They blow water all over the place and I can't help but touch them by mistake. I don't even use them and just wipe my hands on the back of my t-shirt like an animal after washing if there are no paper towels.
mattlondon 6y ago
I was of a similar attitude to you until I tried and failed to get a decent cordless vacuum cleaner that has a proper wall holster (i.e. putting it in/out of the holster also plugs/unplugs the charger) I went through several other brands (both well known and no-name things from china) and then returning them to amazon because they were either just crap at cleaning, and/or the wall holster was a glorified hook that required you to put it in the holster and then still plug it in too as a separate step. I finally gave in and paid a little bit more for a dyson cordless stick vacuum and it has been really quite excellent and I cannot fault it. It always gets a lot more "out" of the carpets than our previous vacuum, and the usability of the wall holster means it is super-fast and easy to just grab and go without faffing with cables (vital for me with a small kid - we're vacuuming multiple times a day)
- qwertay 6y ago
  I have found dyson to simply be reliable. Yes it might not be the best value for money but when you buy a dyson product you will almost never be disappointed.
phatfish 6y ago
Dyson the person had one very successful idea (the bagless vacuum) and brought it to market himself after being ignored by the then-incumbent manufactures of existing models. Dyson the company has been riding that one idea since, and I agree the rest of their products are over-priced luxury items. In fact their vacuums are over-priced as well now. Dyson rubs me the wrong way as well personally by purporting to be a "patriotic Brit" moaning about the current state of the country. Then upping sticks to Malaysia with the company HQ in tow.
- sjg007 6y ago
  He started with the ball barrow but I have a dyson vacuum and it's OK. The main part does have a lot of suction that I am pretty sure is eating the carpet. The wand stick thing attachment though is absolutely the worst designed product ever produced. It's impossible to wield and bend into tight spaces. The vacuum itself is just too heavy as well. I'll go with an upright bagged version though for better Hepa filtering or a canister in the future. Dyson really does have good marketing though.
SeanLuke 6y ago
The nonsensical Dyson canister vacuums are the ones that amaze me. Dyson competes based on premium coolness, so just consider at its primary coolness competitor: Miele. Across the board, Miele canisters are lighter, more powerful, cleaner, and much more effective than their Dyson cost equivalents. They have a far lower failure rate and last much longer. Bagless canisters have so many negatives compared to bagged vacuums, it's a wonder they're still being promoted.
- kevstev 6y ago
  Do you have any more info to back this? I am honestly curious- I bought a Dyson Animal about 12 years ago now, and its still going strong, and is the best vacuum I have ever used. Not having to keep bags around is nice too. Our usecase is relatively light- we have area rugs mostly, but its still head and shoulders above the previous vacuum we had, and any of the ones my parents had growing up.
  - BHSPitMonkey 6y ago
    The common reason I see for vacuum enthusiasts bashing on bagless units is air hygiene; as soon as you take out the canister, you're releasing a bunch of the vacuumed matter back into the air and breathing it into your lungs. This can probably be mitigated by carefully emptying the contents outdoors, but a lot of apartment-dwellers can't really do that.
    - ooboe 6y ago
      Yes, emptying bagless units is a disgusting process. Even outdoors, it's not pleasant.
    - SeanLuke 6y ago
      Bagless is also an excellent way to shorten the life of the motor and fan subsystem.
  - damontal 6y ago
    how do you dump your cannister? i empty mine after every use and it always releases dust into the air. bagged seems much better as it just keeps the dust inside.
Thaxll 6y ago
I don't think there is an equivalent of the Dyson vacuum on the market atm, it's that good, so I'm not sure what you're talking about, you definitly never tried their product.
arp242 6y ago
The air blades work quite well; you can actually dry your hands in a few seconds instead of holding it underneath some lukewarm air for 30+ seconds. I never even use them as they're borderline pointless and so damn loud (I dry my hands on my trousers if there are no towels), but airblades work well enough for me to us them. I can't speak to the other products as I never used them, but air blades really are a big improvement IMO.
falcolas 6y ago
One thing I particularly appreciate about our Dyson corded vacuum is that I can take the whole damned air path apart if needed, without tools. It's quite useful when something gets jammed up in a u-bend. I have no comment about the rest of it, compared to other ones, because I haven't had to replace it since we got it a couple of decades ago.
- sigstoat 6y ago
  > One thing I particularly appreciate about our Dyson corded vacuum is that I can take the whole damned air path apart if needed, without tools. the first time i went to clean the filter in ours, i kept seeing that i could easily take off/remove one more thing, so i did. next thing i knew i had completely dismantled and washed it. then it went back together just as easily. hardest part was waiting for things to dry out.
hrktb 6y ago
I hated the vacuums (the one I bought was way too heavy, loud, expensive for what it did) and air blades, but love the fanless ventilators. It’s light, cute, easy to move, with no visible moving parts, is still surviving spotlessly. I wish there was better competitors.
- jfk13 6y ago
  Perhaps you could make your own out of scrap wood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a19OpQfwB2w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a19OpQfwB2w
crmd 6y ago
Check out AvE’s tear down of a $500 Dyson hair dryer.[1] He was expecting to ridicule it but was instead blown away by the engineering - tiny high torque zinc cast brushless DC motor, CNC-milled impeller, etc. It’s a good watch, including FLIR performance analysis, Fourier analysis of bearing noise, and more. In summary it’s definitely more engineering porn / extreme overkill than marketing bs. [1] https://youtu.be/j-vJxez9UF8 https://youtu.be/j-vJxez9UF8
- postalrat 6y ago
  It seems like dyson focuses on over optimizing for problems that they themselves create.
  - jandrese 6y ago
    I think they see themselves as reinventing solutions to problems that had solutions created 50-100 years ago but that the manufacturers are still using basically the same 100 year old solution today. So you have products that are marginally better (because those people 100 years ago were smart too and they have not been completely sitting on their laurels) because it uses modern technology and design informed by modern aerodynamics and the like, but is expensive because it doesn't have 100 years of cost optimization behind it. Worse, you have products that have 6 months of heavy cost optimization resulting in high precision high power motors mounted in flimsy plastic cases that break the first time you drop them.
- mywittyname 6y ago
  Dyson products are like the Juiceros. They are masturbatory exercises for engineers. They get to design a product with an almost limitless budget, functionality be damned. We're all guilty of that too. I bet most of us would love a job where you get to play with cool tech all day and not really worry about how efficient the program is.
- mminer237 6y ago
  It reminds me of a less-extreme version of Juicero. They made a $700 WiFi-connected "juicer" that squeezed bags of juice using QR codes to scan the bags and then a custom power supply, custom machined gears, and a custom 15A 330V DC motor to actuate a press to squeeze the bags between two metal plates. Of course, a roller could have done it for a fraction of the price, or you could have just let gravity pour the juice and not even need a $700 machine. https://blog.bolt.io/juicero/ https://blog.bolt.io/juicero/ Dyson's very into moving air in creative ways and blowing through holes. They definitely seem to be the best at it and are very good at it, but they're just playing with an artificial constraint. No one says you have to be able to see through your hair dryer or air purifier. You could make much more effective or cheaper products without those constraints. Just people think they look cool, so they're willing to pay a premium for the weird, "futuristic" Dyson product over the boring normal product. That does make it seem like largely marketing though.
vondur 6y ago
I've used Dyson's hand dryers in a public restroom. They seem to work really well compared to the standard hand dryers.
praveenperera 6y ago
I think that maybe be true for some of their products, but when it comes to cordless stick vacuums Dyson is still king.
raiyu 6y ago
The public bathroom air blades drive me crazy. It keeps splashing the water back and forth, the air speed is too high and my hands inadvertently touch the sides and probably there are a bunch of germs circulating inside, as not everyone washes their hands thoroughly. The old school super blowers that just do hot air down, or whichever direction you turn, probably consume more power, but certainly dry my hands faster and I don't have to worry about touching anything that isn't clean in the process.
- LegitShady 6y ago
  I prefer the Excel XLERATOR hand dryers, and usually spec them over most other models. Hands dry in ~10 seconds, not spashing onto a lower surface, etc.
  - bluGill 6y ago
    I hate them because they are too loud. Sure they work fast, but I need to put air plugs in before using them, and those are never provided.
    - unwind 6y ago
      *Ear plugs, hopefully. :)
    - SethMurphy 6y ago
      The noise is a feature. It is a social signal that you are clean for everyone in the establishment, or at least for everyone who can see the entrance to the restroom.
    - LegitShady 6y ago
      its 10 seconds, I prefer loud and fast to mediocre in both respects.
  - wu_187 6y ago
    Ditto. They dry my hands much faster than the Dyson and I don't have to touch a germ infested surface.
reaperducer 6y ago
Pretty much every Dyson product I've used, from the public bathroom air "blades" to the vacuums, seem like a gimmicky, inferior products with a premium price tag That's interesting to me because I've had the opposite experience. I move a lot. For almost decade I moved twice a year. I don't like taking the dirt from one place to the next, so I buy a new vacuum cleaner every time. So I've been though a lot of vacuum cleaners. I've tried every brand and almost every level of vacuum cleaner on the market, because sometimes I have more money to spend on a vacuum cleaner, and sometimes things are a little tight, and I have to get a cheaper one. The two Dysons have been the best of them all. My only complaint is that with the wireless models, the battery doesn't last as long as I'd like, but if I stick it back on the charger while I'm moving furniture out of the way in the next room, it keeps up well enough.
- antoniuschan99 6y ago
  I like Vacuum Wars as he provide fun reviews https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCvavJlMjlTd4wLwi9yKCtew https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCvavJlMjlTd4wLwi9yKCtew
- patrickk 6y ago
  AMA from a vacuum technician: https://old.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/7gmsoe/iama_reddits_own_vacuum_repair_tech_with_a_very/ https://old.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/7gmsoe/iama_reddits_o... IIRC he recommends Miele vacuums.
  - TorKlingberg 6y ago
    I am sort of worried that a lot of internet sentiments go back to just one person. I also have a vaguely negative impression of Dyson, and realized it came from that same Reddit thread. It feels like every internet community just recycles information from previous threads and only rarely gets input from reality. FWIW, I have a Dyson wireless handheld vacuum. It's pretty good, but I can't way if it's worth the price.
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turtlebits 6y ago
A huge part of their price/product is marketing, but their air purifiers are excellent as a whole package (I have the one including heat). Their stick vacuums and they are excellent as well. That said, you should not judge their performance based on their cost, as there are other factors, such as ergonomics, WAF, etc.
bhouston 6y ago
Their handheld household vacuums are so nice. We have one on each floor. So light, powerful and always ready.
gambiting 6y ago
He's an avid brexiteer as well, which is enough for me to never ever touch any of his products again and put maximum effort into discouraging people from buying anything from the company.
misiti3780 6y ago
i recently purchased a vacuums on sale and i am very happy with it. what problems have you had with the vacuums? I also bought a pair of beats running earphones that work better for me than the apple airpods because they do not fall out, they were both about the same price.
mr_custard 6y ago
I don't diagree with you on some of the Dyson products being gimmicky with a premium price tag, and the air purifier does look suspect to me. However, the Dyson v11 cordless vacuum I just bought is phenomenal. It has far better suction and cleaning effectiveness than anything I've ever used - which is partly why I bought the v11. Our mains powered central vacuum just wasn't cutting it, and was bothersome to use.
Semaphor 6y ago
> the public bathroom air "blades" That’s interesting, I always found those vastly superior to all other solutions. They dry my hands the quickest, only the copycats come close.
asdff 6y ago
I thought that until I came to own a dyson ball vacuum for free. My lord. If a hoover/shark/whatever is a 25 year old toyota corolla, this is a brand new rolls royce and feels like it. It's extremely powerful despite being used, and collects a frankly disturbing amount of dust and hair every time I use it (picking up about a full chamber of hair from my longhair cat some times, hair that was invisible to the eye on the rugs before vacuuming). Pretty much every other vaccume I've had turns to hell in a few years with the poor build quality and dealing with my cats hair, but this is a tank in comparison and has tumbled down stairs. The ball system is actually pretty nice and easy to push around, and the low center of gravity helps with balance as well. It's loud, but not nearly as loud as my old vaccuum (my cat doesn't run away). Maintenance is extremely user friendly and easy; I had the whole thing apart to clean the filters without looking at a manual, just moving bits of plastic conveniently colored red so you know they are there for you to move or remove. But none of this is something you would notice from a sexy ipod-esque ad. All of this you pick up on after you start using the tool. Then it makes perfect sense why this is such a good vacuum and well worth the premium relative to other offerings on the market.
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ksec 6y ago
You are giving too much Credit to Beats. They are simply Crap. Dyson on the other hand ranges from poor like the Air Purifier to Decent with their Vacuum and Hair Dryer.
ubermonkey 6y ago
All I know is the two vacuums we have. Both have absolutely exceeded expectations. The first was a wedding present in 2005, and it still works GREAT -- we only bought the 2nd (a cordless model) to avoid lugging the big one up and down stair so much. I absolutely would buy another Dyson if either of these failed or broke, no question. We're super happy with them.
lambda_obrien 6y ago
The only thing they make that's good is the stick vacuum, everything else is just trying to put their nice, fancy motors into other products.
colechristensen 6y ago
Dyson focuses on over-engineering and clever-engineering. Sometimes those things get in the way of what is practical, best, or even useful. But I am quite fond of my dyson upright and handheld vacuums. Their fans and other things seem more like novelties to me, but that doesn't make them bad, they just are what they are. Expensive and neat, but not optimal if you want to chase a metric or price optimum.
airhead969 6y ago
Like Beats, I would say Bose also fits the bill, except for aviation and some retail ANC models.

dominotw 6y ago

I currently use dyson v11 cordless vaccum. I am in the market for a new one, what do you recommend instead ? Price is not too much of concern for me ATM.

ttul 6y ago
Miele makes the best vacuums IMHO.
AlexandrB 6y ago
I really like my Miele canister vacuum. It's light, quiet, and powerful. I find bagless vacuums, including Dyson's, to be a pain in the butt to clean by comparison. However Miele is certainly not a good value brand either. I've never used a cordless vacuum, but I find the concept suspect for basic physics reasons. You're either giving up weight, power, or both compared to something you can plug into a wall.
- ghaff 6y ago
  Even if you are giving something up for cordless--and I'm happy to stipulate you may be to some degree, there are a lot of situations where you want to do a quick touchup, clean up a spill, etc. and a cordless vacuum like a Dyson is so much quicker and easier. It's the same with a lot of battery-powered tools. They may not be quite as powerful as a corded or gasoline version but they're increasingly powerful enough, especially for relatively light duty use, and they're a lot more convenient.
- Siecje 6y ago
  Is there a vacuum that doesn't have a battery but uses the same form factor? I don't mind plugging it in but I don't want to drag around another object I just want to use it like a swiffer.
duxup 6y ago
I've had a good experience with a Shark vacuum. It had high ratings from Consumer Reports. I bought one and found it did a great job with heavy carpet and rugs, and wood floors. It is easy to take apart, clean, etc.
- phatfish 6y ago
  I have a Shark also, sub £200 (£170 i think), pretty sure a similar Dyson was easily twice the price. It is quite, light (its one of the hand held models) and certainly powerful enough for general use around the house.
  - duxup 6y ago
    Yeah the build quality really impressed me about the Shark. It's light, but has been really powerful, durable.
- JamesSwift 6y ago
  Our Shark just died but it served honorably for about 10 years if I remember correctly. It was very affordable when we got it as well.
EarthIsHome 6y ago
It'll depend on your use case (square footage, majority carpet vs majority hardwoods with some rugs, etc). But as others have said, Miele is incredible. Sebo is another good one. They'll have specific models for your use case. You can browse /r/vacuumcleaners [0] for ideas. [0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/VacuumCleaners/ https://www.reddit.com/r/VacuumCleaners/
SeanLuke 6y ago
Miele. They last forever and are much cleaner, lighter, and more powerful than equivalent Dysons.
ooboe 6y ago
I have used a Miele bagged cannister and a Dyson bagless cannister, both corded, and a variety of cheaper units. Miele all the way.

city41 6y ago

I think Dyson is the best example that shows marketing really works. I've yet to find a single Dyson product of quality. Their vacuums are downright terrible.

Amasuriel 6y ago
I'm surprised to hear that sentiment about the vacuums in particular! I found the v11 I bought to be vastly better than previous vacuums I've owned, with excellent power despite being cordless, really light and much much quieter. I haven't used any other Dyson products; I opted to buy Rabbit air purifiers over a Dyson Air.
- SeanLuke 6y ago
  Miele. Every Miele I've found is superior, hands down, to its Dyson equivalent.
  - tomjakubowski 6y ago
    Maybe true for corded vacuums, but the Dyson cordless models have superior battery life.
    - city41 6y ago
      It's actually the cordless ones in particular that I think are so terrible. They get jammed just about every time you use them, the max button gets stuck, the battery doesn't last, etc. I struggle to think of a positive for them if I'm honest. We've owned two of them and have vowed never again.
sremani 6y ago
Dyson proves we care about beautiful things. Aesthetics matter.
- fomine3 6y ago
  This is most weird point for Dyson. Why their design considered good? IMO it's like Evangelion, why Evangalion for home appliance?

dirktheman 6y ago

Yes, we have the vacuum on a stick at work. It's a cheap plastic thing that looks like a sex toy for Buck Rogers and it doesn't perform nearly as well as the Numatic Henry we have at home.

rblatz 6y ago
We have the Dyson v10 animal vacuum stick and use it daily to clean up after our 1 year old. It’s fantastic, easy to use, strong suction, easy to empty/clean. I’m thinking of buying a second for our upstairs.
kelvie 6y ago
We also have a Real vacuum (the numatic, we have a George but same thing), as well as a dyson v7. The dyson's are bagless but they have to be emptied all the time, and the maintenance is a lot more of a chore. I think the ideal mix would be to have a cordless dyson but with sort of a base that empties into a bagged vacuum, similar to the robot vacs nowadays that empties themselves and have a bag that can be thrown away once a month. Having to empty the dyson every 3 days sort of defeats the point of having a HEPA filter for allergy viewers.
- simias 6y ago
  I have the same take. I had a cordless Dyson that worked okay, but I would spend a lot of time cleaning the rotating brush and crap getting stuck in the small inlet (which probably had to be small in order to get good suction with the smaller capacity of the battery-powered motor). And while it's bagless, with my cats I had to empty the canister a couple of times every time I cleaned the house. Now the power supply to the rotating brush seems to have died, I'll probably try to fix it eventually but I took the opportunity to buy a good old Henry as a replacement. It's got a huge bag, a huge filter, it's much more powerful and does a great job. Yeah, I have to buy bags, but they're cheap and that's basically the only maintenance I have to worry about.

sdfhbdf 6y ago

Interesting since the cordless vacuum (dyson v11) I use at home seem to work really well. The previous big corded model we had (Dyson DC33) was also built like a tank and served for almost 10 years before being passed on and still works so maybe I bought into marketing or maybe just different people have different experiences with Dyson products?

tidepod12 6y ago
Yea, it's weird reading this thread to me. I have a cordless Dyson vacuum and it is by far the best home vacuum I have ever used, both in terms of suction power (even compared to non-cordless ones) and in terms of other usability/features.
- ljf 6y ago
  We must have had a dud as we got the Dyson animal hair one and it was terrible. Battery life was rubbish, the suction was crappy and the pick up just wasn't that good. Ended up getting a gtech which was fine for 2 adults in a small 2 bed house with wooden floors, but now we have kids and a bigger place we got a Shark corded and it is amazing. Literally the best vacuum we've ever owned.
  - ghaff 6y ago
    I'm not sure the cordless Dyson I have compares well to a good corded vacuum cleaner for cleaning power. But for me, I got one a couple of years ago (after thinking about getting a Roomba for the umpteenth time and concluding it wasn't for me) and it's been perfect for my use case. I normally have a housekeeper come by once a month. But the high traffic areas including the kitchen really need a quick vacuum now and then in between cleanings and the Dyson's been perfect for that. I hated having to haul my corded vacuum out to do this. (So I mostly didn't.) Now it's literally a couple minutes work to grab the Dyson and give a quick cleanup.
    - ljf 6y ago
      Yeah, the gtech was a battery vacuum too, but placed the motor/impeller right next to the entrance of the device, no long pole. I wanted to love the Dyson because of what we paid for it, but I left me a bit meh. My folks have a corded Dyson now and it is a good machine, but I really feel the shark just wins. Man I am dull :p

4ggr0 6y ago

I love the public bathroom Dyson thingies. They kinda became a standard for me now, love how quickly they dry hands. Way better than paper, towels or weak fans. But yeah, the other stuff is a bit gimmicky.

newsbinator 6y ago
Those bathroom hand dryers do spread bacteria around at an alarming rate: https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-bacterial-horror-of-the-hot-air-hand-dryer-2018051113823 https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-bacterial-horror-of-...
- cpmsmith 6y ago
  > the researchers attached high-efficiency particulate air (HEPA) filters to the dryers, which would eliminate most of the bacteria from the air passing through the dryer. As I recall, one of the selling features of the Dyson Airblade is that it has a HEPA filter built-in.
  - maxerickson 6y ago
    On the output?
  - KaiserPro 6y ago
    they might have a hepa filter, but the output drags a tonne of air with it. They are pretty unhygenic, but I'm not sure how bad it is compared to having wet hands.
    - sudosysgen 6y ago
      Maybe one could make an air drier that sucks air around the hands and into a filter instead of onto the hands?
mchanson 6y ago
I hate them. They blow water all over the place and I can't help but touch them by mistake. I don't even use them and just wipe my hands on the back of my t-shirt like an animal after washing if there are no paper towels.

mattlondon 6y ago

I was of a similar attitude to you until I tried and failed to get a decent cordless vacuum cleaner that has a proper wall holster (i.e. putting it in/out of the holster also plugs/unplugs the charger) I went through several other brands (both well known and no-name things from china) and then returning them to amazon because they were either just crap at cleaning, and/or the wall holster was a glorified hook that required you to put it in the holster and then still plug it in too as a separate step. I finally gave in and paid a little bit more for a dyson cordless stick vacuum and it has been really quite excellent and I cannot fault it. It always gets a lot more "out" of the carpets than our previous vacuum, and the usability of the wall holster means it is super-fast and easy to just grab and go without faffing with cables (vital for me with a small kid - we're vacuuming multiple times a day)

qwertay 6y ago
I have found dyson to simply be reliable. Yes it might not be the best value for money but when you buy a dyson product you will almost never be disappointed.

phatfish 6y ago

Dyson the person had one very successful idea (the bagless vacuum) and brought it to market himself after being ignored by the then-incumbent manufactures of existing models. Dyson the company has been riding that one idea since, and I agree the rest of their products are over-priced luxury items. In fact their vacuums are over-priced as well now. Dyson rubs me the wrong way as well personally by purporting to be a "patriotic Brit" moaning about the current state of the country. Then upping sticks to Malaysia with the company HQ in tow.

sjg007 6y ago
He started with the ball barrow but I have a dyson vacuum and it's OK. The main part does have a lot of suction that I am pretty sure is eating the carpet. The wand stick thing attachment though is absolutely the worst designed product ever produced. It's impossible to wield and bend into tight spaces. The vacuum itself is just too heavy as well. I'll go with an upright bagged version though for better Hepa filtering or a canister in the future. Dyson really does have good marketing though.

SeanLuke 6y ago

The nonsensical Dyson canister vacuums are the ones that amaze me. Dyson competes based on premium coolness, so just consider at its primary coolness competitor: Miele. Across the board, Miele canisters are lighter, more powerful, cleaner, and much more effective than their Dyson cost equivalents. They have a far lower failure rate and last much longer. Bagless canisters have so many negatives compared to bagged vacuums, it's a wonder they're still being promoted.

kevstev 6y ago
Do you have any more info to back this? I am honestly curious- I bought a Dyson Animal about 12 years ago now, and its still going strong, and is the best vacuum I have ever used. Not having to keep bags around is nice too. Our usecase is relatively light- we have area rugs mostly, but its still head and shoulders above the previous vacuum we had, and any of the ones my parents had growing up.
- BHSPitMonkey 6y ago
  The common reason I see for vacuum enthusiasts bashing on bagless units is air hygiene; as soon as you take out the canister, you're releasing a bunch of the vacuumed matter back into the air and breathing it into your lungs. This can probably be mitigated by carefully emptying the contents outdoors, but a lot of apartment-dwellers can't really do that.
  - ooboe 6y ago
    Yes, emptying bagless units is a disgusting process. Even outdoors, it's not pleasant.
  - SeanLuke 6y ago
    Bagless is also an excellent way to shorten the life of the motor and fan subsystem.
- damontal 6y ago
  how do you dump your cannister? i empty mine after every use and it always releases dust into the air. bagged seems much better as it just keeps the dust inside.

Thaxll 6y ago

I don't think there is an equivalent of the Dyson vacuum on the market atm, it's that good, so I'm not sure what you're talking about, you definitly never tried their product.

arp242 6y ago

The air blades work quite well; you can actually dry your hands in a few seconds instead of holding it underneath some lukewarm air for 30+ seconds. I never even use them as they're borderline pointless and so damn loud (I dry my hands on my trousers if there are no towels), but airblades work well enough for me to us them. I can't speak to the other products as I never used them, but air blades really are a big improvement IMO.

falcolas 6y ago

One thing I particularly appreciate about our Dyson corded vacuum is that I can take the whole damned air path apart if needed, without tools. It's quite useful when something gets jammed up in a u-bend. I have no comment about the rest of it, compared to other ones, because I haven't had to replace it since we got it a couple of decades ago.

sigstoat 6y ago
> One thing I particularly appreciate about our Dyson corded vacuum is that I can take the whole damned air path apart if needed, without tools. the first time i went to clean the filter in ours, i kept seeing that i could easily take off/remove one more thing, so i did. next thing i knew i had completely dismantled and washed it. then it went back together just as easily. hardest part was waiting for things to dry out.

hrktb 6y ago

I hated the vacuums (the one I bought was way too heavy, loud, expensive for what it did) and air blades, but love the fanless ventilators. It’s light, cute, easy to move, with no visible moving parts, is still surviving spotlessly. I wish there was better competitors.

jfk13 6y ago
Perhaps you could make your own out of scrap wood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a19OpQfwB2w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a19OpQfwB2w

crmd 6y ago

Check out AvE’s tear down of a $500 Dyson hair dryer.[1] He was expecting to ridicule it but was instead blown away by the engineering - tiny high torque zinc cast brushless DC motor, CNC-milled impeller, etc. It’s a good watch, including FLIR performance analysis, Fourier analysis of bearing noise, and more. In summary it’s definitely more engineering porn / extreme overkill than marketing bs. [1] https://youtu.be/j-vJxez9UF8 https://youtu.be/j-vJxez9UF8

postalrat 6y ago
It seems like dyson focuses on over optimizing for problems that they themselves create.
- jandrese 6y ago
  I think they see themselves as reinventing solutions to problems that had solutions created 50-100 years ago but that the manufacturers are still using basically the same 100 year old solution today. So you have products that are marginally better (because those people 100 years ago were smart too and they have not been completely sitting on their laurels) because it uses modern technology and design informed by modern aerodynamics and the like, but is expensive because it doesn't have 100 years of cost optimization behind it. Worse, you have products that have 6 months of heavy cost optimization resulting in high precision high power motors mounted in flimsy plastic cases that break the first time you drop them.
mywittyname 6y ago
Dyson products are like the Juiceros. They are masturbatory exercises for engineers. They get to design a product with an almost limitless budget, functionality be damned. We're all guilty of that too. I bet most of us would love a job where you get to play with cool tech all day and not really worry about how efficient the program is.
mminer237 6y ago
It reminds me of a less-extreme version of Juicero. They made a $700 WiFi-connected "juicer" that squeezed bags of juice using QR codes to scan the bags and then a custom power supply, custom machined gears, and a custom 15A 330V DC motor to actuate a press to squeeze the bags between two metal plates. Of course, a roller could have done it for a fraction of the price, or you could have just let gravity pour the juice and not even need a $700 machine. https://blog.bolt.io/juicero/ https://blog.bolt.io/juicero/ Dyson's very into moving air in creative ways and blowing through holes. They definitely seem to be the best at it and are very good at it, but they're just playing with an artificial constraint. No one says you have to be able to see through your hair dryer or air purifier. You could make much more effective or cheaper products without those constraints. Just people think they look cool, so they're willing to pay a premium for the weird, "futuristic" Dyson product over the boring normal product. That does make it seem like largely marketing though.

vondur 6y ago

I've used Dyson's hand dryers in a public restroom. They seem to work really well compared to the standard hand dryers.

praveenperera 6y ago

I think that maybe be true for some of their products, but when it comes to cordless stick vacuums Dyson is still king.

raiyu 6y ago

The public bathroom air blades drive me crazy. It keeps splashing the water back and forth, the air speed is too high and my hands inadvertently touch the sides and probably there are a bunch of germs circulating inside, as not everyone washes their hands thoroughly. The old school super blowers that just do hot air down, or whichever direction you turn, probably consume more power, but certainly dry my hands faster and I don't have to worry about touching anything that isn't clean in the process.

LegitShady 6y ago
I prefer the Excel XLERATOR hand dryers, and usually spec them over most other models. Hands dry in ~10 seconds, not spashing onto a lower surface, etc.
- bluGill 6y ago
  I hate them because they are too loud. Sure they work fast, but I need to put air plugs in before using them, and those are never provided.
  - unwind 6y ago
    *Ear plugs, hopefully. :)
  - SethMurphy 6y ago
    The noise is a feature. It is a social signal that you are clean for everyone in the establishment, or at least for everyone who can see the entrance to the restroom.
  - LegitShady 6y ago
    its 10 seconds, I prefer loud and fast to mediocre in both respects.
- wu_187 6y ago
  Ditto. They dry my hands much faster than the Dyson and I don't have to touch a germ infested surface.

reaperducer 6y ago

Pretty much every Dyson product I've used, from the public bathroom air "blades" to the vacuums, seem like a gimmicky, inferior products with a premium price tag That's interesting to me because I've had the opposite experience. I move a lot. For almost decade I moved twice a year. I don't like taking the dirt from one place to the next, so I buy a new vacuum cleaner every time. So I've been though a lot of vacuum cleaners. I've tried every brand and almost every level of vacuum cleaner on the market, because sometimes I have more money to spend on a vacuum cleaner, and sometimes things are a little tight, and I have to get a cheaper one. The two Dysons have been the best of them all. My only complaint is that with the wireless models, the battery doesn't last as long as I'd like, but if I stick it back on the charger while I'm moving furniture out of the way in the next room, it keeps up well enough.

antoniuschan99 6y ago
I like Vacuum Wars as he provide fun reviews https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCvavJlMjlTd4wLwi9yKCtew https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCvavJlMjlTd4wLwi9yKCtew
patrickk 6y ago
AMA from a vacuum technician: https://old.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/7gmsoe/iama_reddits_own_vacuum_repair_tech_with_a_very/ https://old.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/7gmsoe/iama_reddits_o... IIRC he recommends Miele vacuums.
- TorKlingberg 6y ago
  I am sort of worried that a lot of internet sentiments go back to just one person. I also have a vaguely negative impression of Dyson, and realized it came from that same Reddit thread. It feels like every internet community just recycles information from previous threads and only rarely gets input from reality. FWIW, I have a Dyson wireless handheld vacuum. It's pretty good, but I can't way if it's worth the price.
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turtlebits 6y ago

A huge part of their price/product is marketing, but their air purifiers are excellent as a whole package (I have the one including heat). Their stick vacuums and they are excellent as well. That said, you should not judge their performance based on their cost, as there are other factors, such as ergonomics, WAF, etc.

bhouston 6y ago

Their handheld household vacuums are so nice. We have one on each floor. So light, powerful and always ready.

gambiting 6y ago

He's an avid brexiteer as well, which is enough for me to never ever touch any of his products again and put maximum effort into discouraging people from buying anything from the company.

misiti3780 6y ago

i recently purchased a vacuums on sale and i am very happy with it. what problems have you had with the vacuums? I also bought a pair of beats running earphones that work better for me than the apple airpods because they do not fall out, they were both about the same price.

mr_custard 6y ago

I don't diagree with you on some of the Dyson products being gimmicky with a premium price tag, and the air purifier does look suspect to me. However, the Dyson v11 cordless vacuum I just bought is phenomenal. It has far better suction and cleaning effectiveness than anything I've ever used - which is partly why I bought the v11. Our mains powered central vacuum just wasn't cutting it, and was bothersome to use.

Semaphor 6y ago

> the public bathroom air "blades" That’s interesting, I always found those vastly superior to all other solutions. They dry my hands the quickest, only the copycats come close.

asdff 6y ago

I thought that until I came to own a dyson ball vacuum for free. My lord. If a hoover/shark/whatever is a 25 year old toyota corolla, this is a brand new rolls royce and feels like it. It's extremely powerful despite being used, and collects a frankly disturbing amount of dust and hair every time I use it (picking up about a full chamber of hair from my longhair cat some times, hair that was invisible to the eye on the rugs before vacuuming). Pretty much every other vaccume I've had turns to hell in a few years with the poor build quality and dealing with my cats hair, but this is a tank in comparison and has tumbled down stairs. The ball system is actually pretty nice and easy to push around, and the low center of gravity helps with balance as well. It's loud, but not nearly as loud as my old vaccuum (my cat doesn't run away). Maintenance is extremely user friendly and easy; I had the whole thing apart to clean the filters without looking at a manual, just moving bits of plastic conveniently colored red so you know they are there for you to move or remove. But none of this is something you would notice from a sexy ipod-esque ad. All of this you pick up on after you start using the tool. Then it makes perfect sense why this is such a good vacuum and well worth the premium relative to other offerings on the market.

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ksec 6y ago

You are giving too much Credit to Beats. They are simply Crap. Dyson on the other hand ranges from poor like the Air Purifier to Decent with their Vacuum and Hair Dryer.

ubermonkey 6y ago

All I know is the two vacuums we have. Both have absolutely exceeded expectations. The first was a wedding present in 2005, and it still works GREAT -- we only bought the 2nd (a cordless model) to avoid lugging the big one up and down stair so much. I absolutely would buy another Dyson if either of these failed or broke, no question. We're super happy with them.

lambda_obrien 6y ago

The only thing they make that's good is the stick vacuum, everything else is just trying to put their nice, fancy motors into other products.

colechristensen 6y ago

Dyson focuses on over-engineering and clever-engineering. Sometimes those things get in the way of what is practical, best, or even useful. But I am quite fond of my dyson upright and handheld vacuums. Their fans and other things seem more like novelties to me, but that doesn't make them bad, they just are what they are. Expensive and neat, but not optimal if you want to chase a metric or price optimum.

airhead969 6y ago

Like Beats, I would say Bose also fits the bill, except for aviation and some retail ANC models.