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Also this is not the first time Google acting dirty - Youtube working crazy slow in Firefox, 15-20 attempts needed to solve stupid reCAPTCHA in non-Chrome brows

Also this is not the first time Google acting dirty - Youtube working crazy slow in Firefox, 15-20 attempts needed to solve stupid reCAPTCHA in non-Chrome browser only. Great reason to leave Google.

h_anna_h 6y ago
You would expect some sort of anti-trust investigation to start (at least in Europe) but there has been nothing...
- sdfhbdf 6y ago
  What about the fine for boosting Google Shopping? It was substantial https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_17_1784 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_17_...
  - h_anna_h 6y ago
    Sadly it is from three years ago and does not address all the other anti-competitive behavior. Still, a step in the right direction I guess (but I doubt that anything will happen for the other violations).
- hulitu 6y ago
  It's good to have friends, you know. That's why they are in almost all lobby groups.
jannes 6y ago
Google is acting dirty with YouTube in other browsers as well. I am 100% convinced they are sniffing the user agent and degrade the experience for certain browsers on purpose. For example, in iOS Safari the desktop version of youtube.com has a completely broken picture-in-picture feature on the video element. But if you open exactly the same page in iOS Brave (just a skin over the same engine because Apple doesn't allow competing browser engines) you suddenly get working picture-in-picture playback. The funny thing is: A website doesn't have to do anything special to support PIP (introduced in iOS 14). Every video element automatically received that button. Google had to go out of their way to break this feature in Safari. (I assume they don't want to allow it because it competes with YouTube Premium, which specifically advertises "background play" as one of the paid features).
- emptyparadise 6y ago
  They purposefully broke picture in picture, there's no question about it. If you use the Shortcuts app to run some JavaScript in Safari that blocks propagation of the `webkitpresentationmodechanged` event, PiP will start working properly again.

Also this is not the first time Google acting dirty - Youtube working crazy slow in Firefox, 15-20 attempts needed to solve stupid reCAPTCHA in non-Chrome browser only. Great reason to leave Google.

h_anna_h 6y ago

You would expect some sort of anti-trust investigation to start (at least in Europe) but there has been nothing...

sdfhbdf 6y ago
What about the fine for boosting Google Shopping? It was substantial https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_17_1784 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_17_...
- h_anna_h 6y ago
  Sadly it is from three years ago and does not address all the other anti-competitive behavior. Still, a step in the right direction I guess (but I doubt that anything will happen for the other violations).
hulitu 6y ago
It's good to have friends, you know. That's why they are in almost all lobby groups.

jannes 6y ago

Google is acting dirty with YouTube in other browsers as well. I am 100% convinced they are sniffing the user agent and degrade the experience for certain browsers on purpose. For example, in iOS Safari the desktop version of youtube.com has a completely broken picture-in-picture feature on the video element. But if you open exactly the same page in iOS Brave (just a skin over the same engine because Apple doesn't allow competing browser engines) you suddenly get working picture-in-picture playback. The funny thing is: A website doesn't have to do anything special to support PIP (introduced in iOS 14). Every video element automatically received that button. Google had to go out of their way to break this feature in Safari. (I assume they don't want to allow it because it competes with YouTube Premium, which specifically advertises "background play" as one of the paid features).

emptyparadise 6y ago
They purposefully broke picture in picture, there's no question about it. If you use the Shortcuts app to run some JavaScript in Safari that blocks propagation of the `webkitpresentationmodechanged` event, PiP will start working properly again.