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Someone who doesn't have to respect copyright law could use it to make their own game like it, saving years of effort. It'd be hard getting up to speed on it,

Someone who doesn't have to respect copyright law could use it to make their own game like it, saving years of effort. It'd be hard getting up to speed on it, but it could be worth it.

gambiting 6y ago
If you're in the market that doesn't respect copyright law there's a surprise for you - no one will buy legal copies of your game either, and it will be banned everywhere else. Also code for the game itself means almost nothing without the tooling to produce assets for it. It could be written for scratch but then....just.....use unreal or unity? Pirate copies if you really don't care. Like, I work in games development and in house engines are incredibly inflexible, they are made for one game only usually and it's a titanic amount of effort to use them for anything else. You could probably use the Witcher engine to make a crappy clone of Witcher, but you're not going to use the engine for anything else.
- that_guy_iain 6y ago
  > If you're in the market that doesn't respect copyright law there's a surprise for you - no one will buy legal copies of your game either, and it will be banned everywhere else. Considering it's closed source I suspect it could get quite far before anyone notices. Also, people will buy legal copies, you over estimate how moral people are. Remember most of us shop on Amazon even tho we know it's terrible. And the money from those copies will go to CD Projekt Red.
- mackman 6y ago
  > in house engines are incredibly inflexible, they are made for one game only usually and it's a titanic amount of effort to use them for anything else Hah, one of the reasons I left the industry was I was frustrated that we were supposed to build the sequel to our game using a different custom engine intended for a different genre of game.
  - paavohtl 6y ago
    Sounds like EA and Frostbite.
    - imtringued 6y ago
      Bethesda built a Fallout multiplayer game on their existing single player engine. "Minecraft alpha"-tier exploits and bugs where in the "finished" game and a lot of them were game breaking.
    - mackman 6y ago
      That wasn't the one I was involved in but I suppose it's not surprising there's more examples.
mackman 6y ago
I could see someone making a knockoff version of Gwent to sell on Google Play. In terms of the Red Engine code... the custom engine I'm familiar with was a nightmare in terms of the asset build pipeline and lack of documentation. If you're planning on ripping off a custom engine to bootstrap your game I would highly recommend just using Unity or UE.
notahacker 6y ago
I'm not sure reverse engineering the mechanics and custom engine of a game infamous for terrible AI, stability issues and bugs and experience-degrading optimisations provides the best starting point for making a new game... Particularly not when there are properly documented, stable and widely used game engines your devs are probably already familiar with available for no-up front fee.
- Wowfunhappy 6y ago
  Cyberpunk is not CDPR’s only game.
  - imtringued 6y ago
    That makes the lack of quality assurance even sadder.
    - gameswithgo 6y ago
      You shipped any open world 3d games lately?
  - notahacker 6y ago
    True, but it's pretty good evidence that access to CDPR's assets doesn't make it easy to get things right, even with the team that built them and the full toolchain. And the reports seem to suggest the source code for Cyberpunk and Witcher 3 is being auctioned separately, with Gwent already in the wild
- ChrisRR 6y ago
  Have you seen how prolific copyright infringement is in china. Compile cyberpunk, stick a couple of new assets and a new name on it and sell ot for $5. I guarantee it would sell

Someone who doesn't have to respect copyright law could use it to make their own game like it, saving years of effort. It'd be hard getting up to speed on it, but it could be worth it.

gambiting 6y ago

If you're in the market that doesn't respect copyright law there's a surprise for you - no one will buy legal copies of your game either, and it will be banned everywhere else. Also code for the game itself means almost nothing without the tooling to produce assets for it. It could be written for scratch but then....just.....use unreal or unity? Pirate copies if you really don't care. Like, I work in games development and in house engines are incredibly inflexible, they are made for one game only usually and it's a titanic amount of effort to use them for anything else. You could probably use the Witcher engine to make a crappy clone of Witcher, but you're not going to use the engine for anything else.

that_guy_iain 6y ago
> If you're in the market that doesn't respect copyright law there's a surprise for you - no one will buy legal copies of your game either, and it will be banned everywhere else. Considering it's closed source I suspect it could get quite far before anyone notices. Also, people will buy legal copies, you over estimate how moral people are. Remember most of us shop on Amazon even tho we know it's terrible. And the money from those copies will go to CD Projekt Red.
mackman 6y ago
> in house engines are incredibly inflexible, they are made for one game only usually and it's a titanic amount of effort to use them for anything else Hah, one of the reasons I left the industry was I was frustrated that we were supposed to build the sequel to our game using a different custom engine intended for a different genre of game.
- paavohtl 6y ago
  Sounds like EA and Frostbite.
  - imtringued 6y ago
    Bethesda built a Fallout multiplayer game on their existing single player engine. "Minecraft alpha"-tier exploits and bugs where in the "finished" game and a lot of them were game breaking.
  - mackman 6y ago
    That wasn't the one I was involved in but I suppose it's not surprising there's more examples.

mackman 6y ago

I could see someone making a knockoff version of Gwent to sell on Google Play. In terms of the Red Engine code... the custom engine I'm familiar with was a nightmare in terms of the asset build pipeline and lack of documentation. If you're planning on ripping off a custom engine to bootstrap your game I would highly recommend just using Unity or UE.

notahacker 6y ago

I'm not sure reverse engineering the mechanics and custom engine of a game infamous for terrible AI, stability issues and bugs and experience-degrading optimisations provides the best starting point for making a new game... Particularly not when there are properly documented, stable and widely used game engines your devs are probably already familiar with available for no-up front fee.

Wowfunhappy 6y ago
Cyberpunk is not CDPR’s only game.
- imtringued 6y ago
  That makes the lack of quality assurance even sadder.
  - gameswithgo 6y ago
    You shipped any open world 3d games lately?
- notahacker 6y ago
  True, but it's pretty good evidence that access to CDPR's assets doesn't make it easy to get things right, even with the team that built them and the full toolchain. And the reports seem to suggest the source code for Cyberpunk and Witcher 3 is being auctioned separately, with Gwent already in the wild
ChrisRR 6y ago
Have you seen how prolific copyright infringement is in china. Compile cyberpunk, stick a couple of new assets and a new name on it and sell ot for $5. I guarantee it would sell