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This proves Google doesn't have control over the big picture. They got badly surprised by their own security warning. They are lying about the situation while
by Traubenfuchs 6y ago
This proves Google doesn't have control over the big picture.
They got badly surprised by their own security warning.
They are lying about the situation while knowing we know they are lying.
No message control / (social) media control. Does Google even have a public relations teams? A press officer? Is anyone managing all of this? Hello? Is somebody home?
6 + 2 months without progress from a company with infinite money -what is going on at Google? Fits right in with what happened to Terraria.
- bloqs 6y agoWhat happened with Terraria?
- detaro 6y agoGoogle banned the devs Google account and after 3 weeks of being unable to talk to a human about it and get it fixed he cancelled the Stadia port.
- 2pEXgD0fZ5cF 6y agoHe is still banned by the way: https://twitter.com/Demilogic/status/1359610849674088449 https://twitter.com/Demilogic/status/1359610849674088449
- purplecats 6y agosadly, he seems bitter, which goes against his "This is ridiculous, I'm leaving" attitude
- ceejayoz 6y agoWhy can’t one be bitter about being impacted by something ridiculous?
- cnlp10 6y agoThis new "bitter" meme that started some time last year is the latest way that people use to discredit dissenters even more. There is anger, righteous anger, biblical fury, disappointment, inner emigration, reacting strongly while actually being amused, reacting strongly while not caring and about 50 more shades of underlying feelings. "bitter" is appropriate for the feeling when a spouse cheats after 20 years of marriage and it actually affects you. "bitter" as currently used on the internet is just propaganda that tries to inflict maximum damage on dissenters. It often comes from corporate-adjacent developers.
- purplecats 6y ago> "bitter" as currently used on the internet is just propaganda that tries to inflict maximum damage on dissenters. It often comes from corporate-adjacent developers. oh interesting. that was certainly not my intent! I agree though, i would be bitter as well and certainly stand behind him over the globocorpos in practically all of these related situations.
- 2pEXgD0fZ5cF 6y agoSuddenly losing access to your main mail account alone is a pretty big deal already and can have significant impact on someones life. Now add to that the loss of access to services like google drive, purchased apps etc.. The Terraria youtube channel was locked too through this if I understand correctly. That his immense frustration stretches beyond the plan to release his game on Stadia is relatable in my opinion.
- swiley 6y agoWe all knew famous people throwing a fit on twitter would eventually stop working. Now there is really no support from Google for their products.
- mkl95 6y agoI don't believe no one has noticed at Google yet. There has to be something else at this point.
- CydeWeys 6y agoDing ding ding. I wish Google would go public with it for PR's sake, but there's a there there.
- mkl95 6y agoThis is a job for an investigative journalist... if there is some hidden motive, Google have had enough time to bury it under a pile of NDAs.
- CydeWeys 6y agoI'm not saying some nefarious hidden motive, just some every day kind of ban-worthy confirmed ToS violation on the YouTube account. That's my guess.
- mkl95 6y agoMy guess is that this ban is not an isolated incident. Google are notoriously bad at admitting that something is not behaving as intended.
- CydeWeys 6y agoThat may be true of other lower-profile situations, but this particular ban is behaving as intended. They're just not saying anything publicly about why the ban was enacted.
- WorldMaker 6y ago> "every day kind of ban-worthy confirmed ToS violation on the YouTube account" But that's the nefarious and the hidden bit, and the biggest complaint is that there is no "motive", because people aren't involved at any stage. Every day bots and algorithms tend to YouTube's ToS violations and don't give enough feedback that explains to a human why they did what they don't, don't seem to be reviewed by a human anywhere in the process, and there seems to exist no real human oversight for appeals or post-mortem reviews. It's all very opaque to people, so yes it is hidden and seems nefarious. It especially seems nefarious that there is no real "motive" just machines eating each other endlessly with seemingly no human oversight. (And then that the YouTube account takedown also takes down most of the communications tools such as GMail along with it only furthers the nefarious and "post-mortem" feelings of such an "every day kind of ban".)
- Mindwipe 6y agoThe developer got his Google accounts suspended for no clear reason (probably stupid ML models to do moderation), and couldn't get anyone from Google to help, so he cancelled the release of Terraria for Stadia. Which seemed fair enough.
- BlueGh0st 6y agoI missed it too. Here's the HN discussion from 3 days ago. Pretty crazy. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26061935 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26061935
- 2pEXgD0fZ5cF 6y agoMy guess is that Google just doesn't care at this point. "Money keeps flowing anyway" is the sentiment that comes across.
- pmlnr 6y agoYeah, that mindset is the reasons why M$ has no mobile presence any more.
- yoz-y 6y agoWas. They might not have an OS but their mobile apps are up to speed and they provide backend infrastructure to a sizeable chunk of others.
- 4ggr0 6y agoWell I mean, there's the Surface Duo, right? Granted, feels more like a tech-demo than an actual product.
- meowster 6y agoI saw one in a Best Buy. I tried to check it out, but it needed to be reflashed (I don't remember what was wrong with it, it was months ago). I was there to buy a phone, and they might have made a sale, but someone dropped the ball.
- 4ggr0 6y agoFor me it's the price. I feel okay spending 2.5k on a gaming PC or a mountain bike. But a smartphone for over $500 is just excessive for my usage. As long as the camera is good enough, I don't really care. I would really like to own a foldable phone, but not at the current prices.
- Traubenfuchs 6y agoMaybe I am naive, but I would expect some chain of responsibility from the CEO down to the lowest intern. And "all our apps just stopped working world wide" or "we haven't released an app update for 2 months for most of our apps that are used by... probably billions of people worldwide" should be events that would receive scrutiny from upper level management?
- paulcarroty 6y agoAlso this is not the first time Google acting dirty - Youtube working crazy slow in Firefox, 15-20 attempts needed to solve stupid reCAPTCHA in non-Chrome browser only. Great reason to leave Google.
- h_anna_h 6y agoYou would expect some sort of anti-trust investigation to start (at least in Europe) but there has been nothing...
- sdfhbdf 6y agoWhat about the fine for boosting Google Shopping? It was substantial https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_17_1784 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_17_...
- h_anna_h 6y agoSadly it is from three years ago and does not address all the other anti-competitive behavior. Still, a step in the right direction I guess (but I doubt that anything will happen for the other violations).
- hulitu 6y agoIt's good to have friends, you know. That's why they are in almost all lobby groups.
- jannes 6y agoGoogle is acting dirty with YouTube in other browsers as well. I am 100% convinced they are sniffing the user agent and degrade the experience for certain browsers on purpose. For example, in iOS Safari the desktop version of youtube.com has a completely broken picture-in-picture feature on the video element. But if you open exactly the same page in iOS Brave (just a skin over the same engine because Apple doesn't allow competing browser engines) you suddenly get working picture-in-picture playback. The funny thing is: A website doesn't have to do anything special to support PIP (introduced in iOS 14). Every video element automatically received that button. Google had to go out of their way to break this feature in Safari. (I assume they don't want to allow it because it competes with YouTube Premium, which specifically advertises "background play" as one of the paid features).
- flokie 6y agoblog post Jan 27 mentions how they're prepping iOS apps: https://www.blog.google/products/ads-commerce/preparing-developers-and-advertisers-for-policy-updates/ https://www.blog.google/products/ads-commerce/preparing-deve...