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> And asking good people to work for free or cheap, is just as shitty. They already do that with their editors. > And a lot of free software and opensource fo

> And asking good people to work for free or cheap, is just as shitty. They already do that with their editors. > And a lot of free software and opensource foundation spend most of the money organizing conferences I would avoid donating to any such organisation myself.

Blahah 6y ago
You cited one of few small ways the organisation is able to something back to wikipedians as the problem. Are you now pivoting to saying Wikipedia doesn't spend enough rewarding contributors, from having previously complained about having a celebration with contributors in Accra? I strongly encourage you to go to one of the events run by the kind of organisation you're complaining about. I'm not exaggerating when I say Mozfest is life changing for many people. Open Knowledge Foundation events have been career-defining for me and many people I've mentored in the UK, Kenya and South Africa. I've never been to a Wikipedia event but I know about them and I think you're imagining something vastly different than what happens. These are events that are about building communities, networks, and opportunities for open collaboration. If you don't like how these organisations do it, sorry, because they are the ones doing it successfully.
unionpivo 6y ago
> They already do that with their editors. They are volunteers. They do as much works as they want or don't want to do. Once you are the size of the Wikipedia there are tasks that need to be done, and you can't really relay on volunteers to do it in their free time. > I would avoid donating to any such organisation myself. Its your money. I am just saying that its normal and expected in free and opensource communities to do that sort of things. Organize conferences, meetups, public awareness, handle the legal stuff and hire the core stuff that makes sure thing are running 24/7.

Blahah 6y ago

You cited one of few small ways the organisation is able to something back to wikipedians as the problem. Are you now pivoting to saying Wikipedia doesn't spend enough rewarding contributors, from having previously complained about having a celebration with contributors in Accra? I strongly encourage you to go to one of the events run by the kind of organisation you're complaining about. I'm not exaggerating when I say Mozfest is life changing for many people. Open Knowledge Foundation events have been career-defining for me and many people I've mentored in the UK, Kenya and South Africa. I've never been to a Wikipedia event but I know about them and I think you're imagining something vastly different than what happens. These are events that are about building communities, networks, and opportunities for open collaboration. If you don't like how these organisations do it, sorry, because they are the ones doing it successfully.

unionpivo 6y ago

> They already do that with their editors. They are volunteers. They do as much works as they want or don't want to do. Once you are the size of the Wikipedia there are tasks that need to be done, and you can't really relay on volunteers to do it in their free time. > I would avoid donating to any such organisation myself. Its your money. I am just saying that its normal and expected in free and opensource communities to do that sort of things. Organize conferences, meetups, public awareness, handle the legal stuff and hire the core stuff that makes sure thing are running 24/7.