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you don't need to eschew model editing if you go to something like vscode... there's a great neovim plugin for vscode that gives you full vim in the background

you don't need to eschew model editing if you go to something like vscode... there's a great neovim plugin for vscode that gives you full vim in the background but also has a nicer vscode interface for the frontend.

ilaksh 6y ago
I just suspect that people who advocate for modal editing and hjkl etc. think that those things are some grand UX secret that only real nerds know about. But really they are just artifacts of that particular historical circumstance. http://xahlee.info/kbd/keyboard_hardware_and_key_choices.html http://xahlee.info/kbd/keyboard_hardware_and_key_choices.htm... "How did vi's mode switching idea came from? Back in 1970s, terminal screen are 80 columns by 24 lines. There's no real-time editing. You edit by typing a command, then call another command to have the screen update to show the result of your command. Vi's “modal editing” is evolved from this. This is also why emacs's manual calls itself “Real Time Display Editor”. Emacs is the first or one of the first “Real Time Display” editor. Why vi uses j k h l for cursor movement? Unix vi's use of j k h i for cursor movement, and the choice of Escape key for mode switching, came from the keyboard it was developed on, the ADM-3A terminal."
- weaksauce 6y ago
  > I just suspect that people who advocate for modal editing and hjkl etc. think that those things are some grand UX secret that only real nerds know about. But really they are just artifacts of that particular historical circumstance. while it's true that it was born of historical necessity and the decisions for it were partly due to keyboard constraints and the other constraints, I disagree vehemently with the assertion that it's not a more efficient way to edit code. writing a screenplay? maybe not but programming? yes... especially in the context of a larger ide.
  - ilaksh 6y ago
    What makes it more efficient? Have there been any studies? I disagree vehemently with your vehement disagreement. I just don't believe you are really saving that much time. Again, saying that as someone who has used vim for 30 years. Among other editors.

ilaksh 6y ago

I just suspect that people who advocate for modal editing and hjkl etc. think that those things are some grand UX secret that only real nerds know about. But really they are just artifacts of that particular historical circumstance. http://xahlee.info/kbd/keyboard_hardware_and_key_choices.html http://xahlee.info/kbd/keyboard_hardware_and_key_choices.htm... "How did vi's mode switching idea came from? Back in 1970s, terminal screen are 80 columns by 24 lines. There's no real-time editing. You edit by typing a command, then call another command to have the screen update to show the result of your command. Vi's “modal editing” is evolved from this. This is also why emacs's manual calls itself “Real Time Display Editor”. Emacs is the first or one of the first “Real Time Display” editor. Why vi uses j k h l for cursor movement? Unix vi's use of j k h i for cursor movement, and the choice of Escape key for mode switching, came from the keyboard it was developed on, the ADM-3A terminal."

weaksauce 6y ago
> I just suspect that people who advocate for modal editing and hjkl etc. think that those things are some grand UX secret that only real nerds know about. But really they are just artifacts of that particular historical circumstance. while it's true that it was born of historical necessity and the decisions for it were partly due to keyboard constraints and the other constraints, I disagree vehemently with the assertion that it's not a more efficient way to edit code. writing a screenplay? maybe not but programming? yes... especially in the context of a larger ide.
- ilaksh 6y ago
  What makes it more efficient? Have there been any studies? I disagree vehemently with your vehement disagreement. I just don't believe you are really saving that much time. Again, saying that as someone who has used vim for 30 years. Among other editors.