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Like the average EU citizen, I don't remember ever voting for anybody who represents me in the EU and I don't know any of the structures of power of t
by eznzt 6y ago
Like the average EU citizen, I don't remember ever voting for anybody who represents me in the EU and I don't know any of the structures of power of the EU or how they work.
- gus_massa 6y agoThe last election was in 2019 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_European_Parliament_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_European_Parliament_elect...
- goatinaboat 6y agoTo the figurehead, talking shop parliament. Effectively all the power in the EU belongs to the commission, which is appointed not elected.
- Dylan16807 6y agoAnd who appointed them? All political systems have delegation.
- kreeben 6y agoEverything you need to know about the European Commission and more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Commission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Commission
- cataphract 6y agoIn most European countries, people don't elect the national government directly as well; it's formed taking into account parliament elections. It is true that in the EU the appointment of the commission is a bit more removed, with the national governments involved in the choice of the President and the commissioners, but in any case the European Parliament must still approve the commission.
- YeGoblynQueenne 6y agoEU Comissioners are proposed by the Council of the European Union, a body composed of EU member state ministers, themselves directly elected by the citizens of their respective states in national elections. Appointment of Comissioners follows the suggestions of national governments.
- tom_mellior 6y agoI don't know of any EU country in which ministers are elected as ministers. Many are elected as MPs and then appointed ministers, but this is typically not a requirement, and you can easily have unelected ministers. Even if 100% of all ministers were always elected as MPs, you couldn't just argue "was elected for position X, must therefore automatically be considered democratically legitimized for position Y".
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- YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago>> Many are elected as MPs and then appointed ministers, but this is typically not a requirement, and you can easily have unelected ministers. OK, I don't know that. Is that the case in EU countries? If so, which ones? Anyway I didn't say that ministers are elected as ministers, but to my knowledge for someone to be appointed a minister they must be elected into parliament. Again, if that's not the case please explain.
- tom_mellior 6y ago> Anyway I didn't say that ministers are elected as ministers, but to my knowledge for someone to be appointed a minister they must be elected into parliament. That might be the case in certain countries, for example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_the_United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_the_United_Kingdom says: "In the United Kingdom's parliamentary system, the executive is not separate from the legislature, since Cabinet members are drawn from Parliament." It's not the case in other countries. Recent examples from Italy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monti_Cabinet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monti_Cabinet and Austria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bierlein_government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bierlein_government. Admittedly these are interim governments formed entirely from non-politicians, so a special case. But there are also examples of individual non-party people being ministers in "normal" governments. Again Austria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kern_government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kern_government (the "Independent"s were never MPs). Of course this is rare, since usually there is an expectation of party members to get the posts.
- soufron 6y agoEuh, no it doesn't...
- jrimbault 6y agoI learned the political structure of the European Union in school, several times, once in middle school, once in high shool, with many repetitions in between. If you haven't learned you might either be older than me (I'm near thirty) or the education system in your country has worse issues than mine, or just not interested in Wikipedia ?
- eznzt 6y agoInteresting. I see you are French--that makes sense, since it's only France and Germany ruling the EU.
- bigfudge 6y agoThis is an absurd big lie which is so often repeated. Germany has great influence because it pays so much for the EU but all member states have the veto...
- kreeben 6y agoThe EU consists of democratic nations. The nations contributing with the most money have the most power. The largest economies have the most money. Quite often the largest economies will be the ones with the most people. >>EU is undemocratic. Are you going to start making statements to support this complaint anytime soon?
- n4r9 6y agoTurnout in Spain for the 2019 election was pretty high at 60%, compared to average of 50%. Counter to your (somewhat xenophobic) remarks about France and Germany, the most engaged countries by this measure are Belgium, Luxembourg, Malta and Denmark.
- soufron 6y agoEU parliament members maybe? Does that sound a ring to you?