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I don't really understand this. I've never seen a package of plant-based meat and found myself confused, much in the same way I've never seen a carton of oat mi

I don't really understand this. I've never seen a package of plant-based meat and found myself confused, much in the same way I've never seen a carton of oat milk and thought it contained dairy. What's the concern here?

dabbledash 6y ago
I don’t know about the meat issue, but I’ve seen women in mother’s groups ask “what kind of milk” people were going to be giving their babies after they were done giving breast milk or formula. Some people seemed to genuinely think that something called almond milk is actually a type of milk in some meaningful sense just because of the name.
- tedunangst 6y ago
  Wait until they find out peanut butter isn't a type of butter.
  - ben_w 6y ago
    Nor made of nuts ;)
    - FalconSensei 6y ago
      My peanut butter ingredients list: peanuts. Seems that it is made of peanuts.
      - tomrod 6y ago
        Which aren't peas or nuts.
- Falling3 6y ago
  Are you implying that children that are weaned shouldn't have non-dairy milk substitutes?
  - dabbledash 6y ago
    I’m fine with them having non-dairy beverages, but they aren’t “substitutes” nutritionally just because they have milk in the name. If your 1 year old is drinking almond milk (30cal and 1g protein per 8oz) instead of whole milk (150 cal and 8 gr protein per 8 oz), you need to adjust what you’re feeding, just like you would if you were giving any other drink. The issue is some people seem to assume liquids that are labeled milks are actually like each other in some way that goes beyond flavor and texture.
    - Dylan16807 6y ago
      And skim milk is 85 and 8, while soy milk is 130 and 8. So I agree that different kinds of 'milk' have wildly different nutrition, but it's not really about dairy vs. non-dairy.
      - YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago
        Yes, the problem is not dairy vs. non-dairy, it is with feeding kids who have been weaned a vegetarian or vegan diet in general. For instance, the following is a recent study (July 2020): Vegetarian and Vegan Weaning of the Infant: How Common and How Evidence-Based? A Population-Based Survey and Narrative Review Background: Vegetarian and vegan weaning have increasing popularity among parents and families. However, if not correctly managed, they may lead to wrong feeding regimens, causing severe nutritional deficiencies requiring specific nutritional support or even the need for hospitalization. Aim: To assess the prevalence of vegetarian and vegan weaning among Italian families and to provide an up-to-date narrative review of supporting evidence. Materials and methods: We investigated 360 Italian families using a 40-item questionnaire. The narrative review was conducted searching scientific databases for articles reporting on vegetarian and vegan weaning. Results: 8.6% of mothers follow an alternative feeding regimen and 9.2% of infants were weaned according to a vegetarian or vegan diet. The breastfeeding duration was longer in vegetarian/vegan infants (15.8 vs. 9.7 months; p < 0.0001). Almost half of parents (45.2%) claim that their pediatrician was unable to provide sufficient information and adequate indications regarding unconventional weaning and 77.4% of parents reported the pediatrician’s resistance towards alternative weaning methods. Nine studies were suitable for the review process. The vast majority of authors agree on the fact that vegetarian and vegan weaning may cause severe nutritional deficiencies, whose detrimental effects are particularly significant in the early stages of life. Discussion and conclusion: Our results show that alternative weaning methods are followed by a significant number of families; in half of the cases, the family pediatrician was not perceived as an appropriate guide in this delicate process. To date, consistent findings to support both the safety and feasibility of alternative weaning methods are still lacking. Since the risk of nutritional deficiencies in the early stages of life is high, pediatricians have a pivotal role in guiding parents and advising them on the most appropriate and complete diet regimen during childhood. Efforts should be made to enhance nutritional understanding among pediatricians as an unsupervised vegetarian or vegan diet can cause severe nutritional deficiencies with possible detrimental long-term effects. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7370013/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7370013/
YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago
I don't see that the OP said anything about there being any kind of confusion. I think you're responding to a different concern than the one they expressed.
dehrmann 6y ago
> I've never seen a carton of oat milk and thought it contained dairy I have no issues with "<plant> milk" products and labeling them like that, but people do get confused about their nutritional profiles, thinking they're substitutes for milk. They're not, and they're chemically different enough that they're not good substitutes for cooking. About the only thing they're good substitutes for is liquid milk, though I hear oat milk foams up well for a cappuccino.
- danShumway 6y ago
  > but people do get confused about their nutritional profiles By that logic, should 2% milk be allowed to be called milk? What about chocolate milk? Nutritional profiles can vary wildly between different brands and products, especially when we're talking about meat -- so where do you draw the line?
  - albertgoeswoof 6y ago
    Well chocolate milk does come from brown cows, according to 16 million americans https://iheartintelligence.com/millions-of-americans-think-chocolate-milk-comes-from-brown-cows/ https://iheartintelligence.com/millions-of-americans-think-c...
    - YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago
      I find it more likely that 16 million Americans decided to take the piss when answering that particular question, perhaps offended that such an obviously dumb question would be asked of them with a straight face. I would be.
      - bigfudge 6y ago
        But how many believe in qanon? I really wish we could put that down to a warped sense of humour...
      - ben_w 6y ago
        16 million Americans have, by definition of the scoring mechanism, IQ 70 or lower. I suspect the only reason the number thinking it’s from brown cows isn’t higher is all the people who don’t think milk comes from anywhere but the supermarket selling it.

dabbledash 6y ago

I don’t know about the meat issue, but I’ve seen women in mother’s groups ask “what kind of milk” people were going to be giving their babies after they were done giving breast milk or formula. Some people seemed to genuinely think that something called almond milk is actually a type of milk in some meaningful sense just because of the name.

tedunangst 6y ago
Wait until they find out peanut butter isn't a type of butter.
- ben_w 6y ago
  Nor made of nuts ;)
  - FalconSensei 6y ago
    My peanut butter ingredients list: peanuts. Seems that it is made of peanuts.
    - tomrod 6y ago
      Which aren't peas or nuts.
Falling3 6y ago
Are you implying that children that are weaned shouldn't have non-dairy milk substitutes?
- dabbledash 6y ago
  I’m fine with them having non-dairy beverages, but they aren’t “substitutes” nutritionally just because they have milk in the name. If your 1 year old is drinking almond milk (30cal and 1g protein per 8oz) instead of whole milk (150 cal and 8 gr protein per 8 oz), you need to adjust what you’re feeding, just like you would if you were giving any other drink. The issue is some people seem to assume liquids that are labeled milks are actually like each other in some way that goes beyond flavor and texture.
  - Dylan16807 6y ago
    And skim milk is 85 and 8, while soy milk is 130 and 8. So I agree that different kinds of 'milk' have wildly different nutrition, but it's not really about dairy vs. non-dairy.
    - YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago
      Yes, the problem is not dairy vs. non-dairy, it is with feeding kids who have been weaned a vegetarian or vegan diet in general. For instance, the following is a recent study (July 2020): Vegetarian and Vegan Weaning of the Infant: How Common and How Evidence-Based? A Population-Based Survey and Narrative Review Background: Vegetarian and vegan weaning have increasing popularity among parents and families. However, if not correctly managed, they may lead to wrong feeding regimens, causing severe nutritional deficiencies requiring specific nutritional support or even the need for hospitalization. Aim: To assess the prevalence of vegetarian and vegan weaning among Italian families and to provide an up-to-date narrative review of supporting evidence. Materials and methods: We investigated 360 Italian families using a 40-item questionnaire. The narrative review was conducted searching scientific databases for articles reporting on vegetarian and vegan weaning. Results: 8.6% of mothers follow an alternative feeding regimen and 9.2% of infants were weaned according to a vegetarian or vegan diet. The breastfeeding duration was longer in vegetarian/vegan infants (15.8 vs. 9.7 months; p < 0.0001). Almost half of parents (45.2%) claim that their pediatrician was unable to provide sufficient information and adequate indications regarding unconventional weaning and 77.4% of parents reported the pediatrician’s resistance towards alternative weaning methods. Nine studies were suitable for the review process. The vast majority of authors agree on the fact that vegetarian and vegan weaning may cause severe nutritional deficiencies, whose detrimental effects are particularly significant in the early stages of life. Discussion and conclusion: Our results show that alternative weaning methods are followed by a significant number of families; in half of the cases, the family pediatrician was not perceived as an appropriate guide in this delicate process. To date, consistent findings to support both the safety and feasibility of alternative weaning methods are still lacking. Since the risk of nutritional deficiencies in the early stages of life is high, pediatricians have a pivotal role in guiding parents and advising them on the most appropriate and complete diet regimen during childhood. Efforts should be made to enhance nutritional understanding among pediatricians as an unsupervised vegetarian or vegan diet can cause severe nutritional deficiencies with possible detrimental long-term effects. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7370013/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7370013/

YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago

I don't see that the OP said anything about there being any kind of confusion. I think you're responding to a different concern than the one they expressed.

dehrmann 6y ago

> I've never seen a carton of oat milk and thought it contained dairy I have no issues with "<plant> milk" products and labeling them like that, but people do get confused about their nutritional profiles, thinking they're substitutes for milk. They're not, and they're chemically different enough that they're not good substitutes for cooking. About the only thing they're good substitutes for is liquid milk, though I hear oat milk foams up well for a cappuccino.

danShumway 6y ago
> but people do get confused about their nutritional profiles By that logic, should 2% milk be allowed to be called milk? What about chocolate milk? Nutritional profiles can vary wildly between different brands and products, especially when we're talking about meat -- so where do you draw the line?
- albertgoeswoof 6y ago
  Well chocolate milk does come from brown cows, according to 16 million americans https://iheartintelligence.com/millions-of-americans-think-chocolate-milk-comes-from-brown-cows/ https://iheartintelligence.com/millions-of-americans-think-c...
  - YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago
    I find it more likely that 16 million Americans decided to take the piss when answering that particular question, perhaps offended that such an obviously dumb question would be asked of them with a straight face. I would be.
    - bigfudge 6y ago
      But how many believe in qanon? I really wish we could put that down to a warped sense of humour...
    - ben_w 6y ago
      16 million Americans have, by definition of the scoring mechanism, IQ 70 or lower. I suspect the only reason the number thinking it’s from brown cows isn’t higher is all the people who don’t think milk comes from anywhere but the supermarket selling it.