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A stroll through the archives of Editor & Publisher
- TeeMassive 6y agoWe know that news organizations sometimes stealth edit their articles, even years after the fact. Is there a way to verify that those archive sites do not do the same?
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- vidarh 6y agoIn case you're similarly misled by this headline as I was, this is about making the archive specifically of "Editor & Publisher" available, not about some larger archive of the contents of American newspapers.
- etrabroline 6y agoAlmost every major American periodical in the public domain is available here: https://www.unz.com/print/All/ https://www.unz.com/print/All/
- reaperducer 6y agoAlmost every major American periodical in the public domain is available here According to the site, it specifically avoids "major" periodicals: "A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media."
- Kye 6y agoetrabroline did say "in the public domain." I consider Isaac Asimov's inclusion major, for example. I've even heard of a lot of the periodicals he's listed in.
- guidoism 6y agoI'm disappointed. Google actually scanned a huge number of newspaper microfilm and microfiche back in 2010-11: https://news.google.com/newspapers https://news.google.com/newspapers It's an amazing resource, but it's hidden away and researchers within Google have trouble accessing it even if they knew it existed. I spent months with lawyers to get access to the original files for research and at one point they told me they were going to delete it! Whaaaaa!?! It was something like 6 PB, which seriously, to Google isn't much, but the team that "owned" the data wasn't using it and to them it was just an expense. Ugh. People don't care about history.
- stjohnswarts 6y agoGoogle doesn't want to make the web and the world searchable any longer like their original set values set, now they just want to put up just good enough service to get all your private information and then aim ads at you. Gone are those heady days of some streak of altruism in their mission as a corporation.
- FlownScepter 6y agoWhich is infuriating because people would happily pay even a fairly premium price I suspect for good access to that archive, but of course Google can't just sell a good product for a reasonable price, it has to be FREE******. (Each * here representing some unknown third party getting access to your email address, phone number, blood type and sexual preferences.)
- Spooky23 6y agoIt is very frustrating. New York State funded an effort to scan, but not digitize historical newspapers, and while the microfilm is stored in the state archives, the online versions are hosted by an eccentric guy who digitizes the microfilm as a hobby. The guy puts everything online, but makes it difficult to work with in a variety of ways.
- Mindless2112 6y agohttps://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/ https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/ -- "Search America's historic newspaper pages from 1777-1963"
- vidarh 6y agoThat's fantastic, though this too appears to have quite limited scope, going by the about page. Certainly a great resource though, and since I'm currently doing some genealogy research on two separate branches of my family that emigrated to the US I'll definitively use it.
- dang 6y agoOk, we'll switch to the subtitle above, which makes that clearer.
- breck 6y agoI highly recommend this book: https://www.amazon.com/New-York-Times-Page-One/dp/1578660882 https://www.amazon.com/New-York-Times-Page-One/dp/1578660882 It's a century's worth of NYTimes front pages. An amazing long term dataset that is fun to flip through to answer infinite questions you might have about both how the last 100 years really went down and also about the evolution of presenting information to readers.
- arminiusreturns 6y agoI have a giant coffee table version of this, and its awesome. I should find more like it. Talk about a conversation starter.
- breck 6y agoMe too! I got it used for $17 iirc. One of my best purchases. If you do find more, please let me know. I was hoping scientific American or wsj etc would have them but couldn’t find any.
- m463 6y agoYou can also fetch: https://static01.nyt.com/images/<year>/<month>/<day>/nytfrontpage/scan.pdf seems to go back about 10 years
- galuggus 6y agoDoes anyone know of a similar resource for UK newspapers?
- okareaman 6y agoInteresting question. I wonder if history will view the years prior to 2000 as mostly American since we have such a passion for digitizing everything and got on the internet early.
- drawkbox 6y agoWikipedia and Archive.org are doing what the internet was made for at least on the history side of things, but also culture, information and education. If you can, donate.
- breck 6y agoAgreed. These are probably my two most regular donations.
- h_anna_h 6y agoI would suggest against donating to them. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26028644 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26028644 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26028531 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26028531 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26029978 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26029978 for wikipedia. As for archive.org they offer basically no transparency as to which sites are excluded from their archiving (and as far as I know they will remove all the content of a site once the owner asks them to).
- cecja 6y agoThanks, I'll still donate to both.
- johnjj257 6y agoThose threads don't show anything interesting, some just bash the org for spending any of the money they receive in a way someone doesn't like from years and years ago. This is silly
- h_anna_h 6y agoThey show something interesting, that "Hosting wikipedia accounts for roughly 2% of their total expenses", something that someone donating might not know. "years and years ago", this was in 2019
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- balozi 6y agoHistory isn't what it used to be. Recent events suggest that Internet Archive too will cease to be as soon as it's content becomes politically or ideologically unpalatable. Enjoy it while you have it, don't count on it being around forever (in any useful state anyway).
- stjohnswarts 6y agoI think our odds actually just went up since we got rid of a President who was clearly aiming to be a dictator.
- ErikVandeWater 6y agoI highly recommend everyone go back and read the headlines (and articles) from a year ago from multiple news sources frequently. It gives great perspective on the narratives at the time with hindsight as to how those narratives changed and if the predictions made were substantiated.
- kube-system 6y agoDo you have any interesting examples?
- bitexploder 6y agoAlmost anything in politics is viewed completely differently after a year. Just look at any news story you followed last year. Around the election. Impeachment. EU/Brexit, etc.
- tenpies 6y agoTwo easy ones: COVID coverage from January to March, and Kamala Harris coverage from Democratic Debates to VP nomination. For COVID, back then, it was "tech bros are afraid of the flu (and maybe also racist)" and then "go hug a Chinese person", and then "closing flights from Wuhan is racist (even though China itself was doing it domestically)". It was funny to see the escalating tsunami of wrongness coming at the media, but of course, they would never admit wrong-doing. For Kamala Harris, well she was (is?) hugely unpopular. She has terrible political baggage, has been personally responsible for terrible systemic racism, and the news coverage reflected that quite accurately up to a very specific point. Tulsi torpedoed her early on in the debates by bringing all this up. However, when Biden said his VP choice would be a woman of color, there was an immediately 180 in coverage and retroactive editing to make it look like she was an exceptional candidate who has always championed racial issues and is a regular everyday person just like all of us.
- DiogenesKynikos 6y ago> closing flights from Wuhan is racist (even though China itself was doing it domestically) This is a myth. Wuhan Tianhe International Airport was completely shut down. Domestic and international flights stopped at the same time. Niall Ferguson of the Hoover Institution falsely claimed that China kept allowing international flights to keep taking off after it stopped domestic flights, and his claim has since gone viral. Even Trump has repeated it several times on national television. The irony is that the airport was shut down so quickly that foreign governments didn't have time to get their citizens out of Wuhan. They had to negotiate with the Chinese government to allow specially chartered evacuation flights to take off from the city. But Niall Ferguson looked at a flight tracker that showed scheduled (not actual) flights, and concluded that international flights were still taking off from Wuhan, and then wrote an Op-Ed about it. The myth has never died, despite repeated debunking.
- VinLucero 6y agoLink to the tool: https://archive.org/details/pub_editor-publisher https://archive.org/details/pub_editor-publisher
- orblivion 6y agoThere was a recent news story about a 150 year old town hall in New Hampshire burning down. As of the writing of the article they weren't sure if any of the old town records were destroyed but it seemed likely. Towns should probably be digitizing all of these things now, and archive.org seems like a great place for them.
- ignoramous 6y agoAn interesting fact about archive.org and the Wayback Machine especially is Amazon's involvement in initially donating (and continuing to?) Alexa crawl data to it: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2016/01/18/the-internet-archive-turns-20-a-behind-the-scenes-look-at-archiving-the-web/?sh=55fc7bb282e0 https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2016/01/18/the-int... Alexa APIs, incidentally, were one of the first AWS products along with ECS (e-commerce service) and SQS in 2004.
- xero_pointer 6y agoThis is amazing. I wonder how log it will take until it turns up as a cleaned text dataset. As a side note, I'm loving the 90s tabloid layouts.
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- An0mammall 6y agoInternet Archive forever!
- ttctciyf 6y agoWasn't a huge quantity of images of newspaper articles accessible via google news search, by setting a pre-Internet date range, at one time? Is that material still available anywhere? It was really extensive IIRC.
- philipkglass 6y agoAre you thinking of this? https://news.google.com/newspapers https://news.google.com/newspapers It's fun to browse but I'm sad that the project seemed to just sputter out. At one time I thought it would grow to make historical newspapers searchable with coverage comparable to the books searchable through Google Books.
- ttctciyf 6y agoYeah, that looks like the same content, but it used to appear in "news" search results if you set the date range accordingly. Sad they haven't made more of it really. Thanks for the pointer!