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What's interesting so far this year is that deaths with covid on the death certificate in january (say w/e 22 jan - 9,000) is below the 4,655 excess deaths. Ba

What's interesting so far this year is that deaths with covid on the death certificate in january (say w/e 22 jan - 9,000) is below the 4,655 excess deaths. Back in April it was the other way round. I wonder how many non-covid deaths lockdown is saving (because things like the normal winter flu aren't spreading)

nostrebored 6y ago
Saving is an interesting viewpoint given 1. Excess deaths are high after lockdown measures 2. These deaths are no longer explained by covid 19 death counts I know tons of people who have relapsed, regressed, and are just generally unwell at this point. .3% of my Facebook friends have made a suicide attempt since lockdowns began. The longer this goes on, the more dramatic these incidents are going to become.
- nenadst 6y ago
  according to Tyler Black (1) who compiled all official numbers he could find there is no evidence of an increase in suicides for the US https://twitter.com/tylerblack32/status/1357765466601775106 https://twitter.com/tylerblack32/status/1357765466601775106 1) MD, Suicidologist, emergency psychiatrist and pharmacologist
  - iso1210 6y ago
    Similar in the UK, although with a caveat that in the UK at least it can take a long time to register suicdes. Even in normal times only 50% of suicides are registered in the year they happen, and with covid there's a backlog. I suspect we won't know the real level of suicide in 2020 until 2022. That said, the data that is available doesn't point to an increase outside of the historical increase (suicides in the UK have been increasing for a long time)
    - DanBC 6y ago
      The data that's been released in the UK was using a newer rapid method, looking at death before coroners issue a conclusion. NCISH are calling this real time monitoring data. Some local areas sometimes call this data "suspected self inflicted deaths". Suicides in the UK have not been increasing for a long time. They increased this year for the first time since 2007. There are a few reasons for this, but part of it is a change in the standard of proof used by coroner's after the Maughan case. Coroner's used to have to use "beyond all reasonable doubt", and now have to use "balance of probabilities" for a conclusion of suicide.

nostrebored 6y ago

Saving is an interesting viewpoint given 1. Excess deaths are high after lockdown measures 2. These deaths are no longer explained by covid 19 death counts I know tons of people who have relapsed, regressed, and are just generally unwell at this point. .3% of my Facebook friends have made a suicide attempt since lockdowns began. The longer this goes on, the more dramatic these incidents are going to become.

nenadst 6y ago
according to Tyler Black (1) who compiled all official numbers he could find there is no evidence of an increase in suicides for the US https://twitter.com/tylerblack32/status/1357765466601775106 https://twitter.com/tylerblack32/status/1357765466601775106 1) MD, Suicidologist, emergency psychiatrist and pharmacologist
- iso1210 6y ago
  Similar in the UK, although with a caveat that in the UK at least it can take a long time to register suicdes. Even in normal times only 50% of suicides are registered in the year they happen, and with covid there's a backlog. I suspect we won't know the real level of suicide in 2020 until 2022. That said, the data that is available doesn't point to an increase outside of the historical increase (suicides in the UK have been increasing for a long time)
  - DanBC 6y ago
    The data that's been released in the UK was using a newer rapid method, looking at death before coroners issue a conclusion. NCISH are calling this real time monitoring data. Some local areas sometimes call this data "suspected self inflicted deaths". Suicides in the UK have not been increasing for a long time. They increased this year for the first time since 2007. There are a few reasons for this, but part of it is a change in the standard of proof used by coroner's after the Maughan case. Coroner's used to have to use "beyond all reasonable doubt", and now have to use "balance of probabilities" for a conclusion of suicide.