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Yeah I agree with you that the sovereignty of people should be respected. But shouldnt we draw some line? Say Israel makes a law that Arab citizens should be t

Yeah I agree with you that the sovereignty of people should be respected. But shouldnt we draw some line? Say Israel makes a law that Arab citizens should be tracked through a digital symbol to identify that they are of the non-Jewish subset of the population — should US companies comply? And I specifically choose Israel because it has a history of discrimination against its Arab population.

silentsea90 6y ago
If the pattern tells you anything, US companies will comply. The major notable case of non compliance has been Google not entering China, which I argue has been more to do with internal activism than the company's preferences. Would also say that it is harder to leave a country once you're in it than not entering in the first place, so I think Google might not have left China if that were the case. Apple happily conducts business in China and I am absolutely certain allows backdoor access to the Chinese Government. Arguably, the US getting backdoor access is almost as bad so we should already be up in arms about this, but I don't see a protest anywhere. Hope the new privacy and decentralization wave makes it very hard to spy on people.
gataca 6y ago
If you wanted to be more historically accurate it would be the reverse, with Islamic nations forcing Jews and other religious minorities to carry symbols identifying non-muslims (the yellow badge for Jews has a long history in islamic countries and predated its use by the Nazis). I guess that wouldn't apply now since most Jews have been ethnically cleansed from the Islamic world, allowing you to focus on potential future crimes of Israel. lol
- sofixa 6y ago
  > allowing you to focus on potential future crimes of Israel You mean active current and historical crimes of Israel, surely? Two wrongs don't make a right, and many people and countries discriminating or massacring Jews historically doesn't excuse Israel's apartheid state, crimes against humanity and international law violations.
  - gataca 6y ago
    > You mean active current and historical crimes of Israel, surely? I was responding to OP's precog-like prediction of future crimes, so no. > Israel's apartheid state, crimes against humanity and international law violations. Overuse of these words/concepts has turned them into buzzwords and has steadily devalued them. Works well for virtue-signaling online though.
    - DSingularity 6y ago
      Really? Those are all just buzzwords? Do you really believe that?
- DSingularity 6y ago
  What you claim seems funny since so many Israeli Jews were once morrocan and remember Morocco warmly.

silentsea90 6y ago

If the pattern tells you anything, US companies will comply. The major notable case of non compliance has been Google not entering China, which I argue has been more to do with internal activism than the company's preferences. Would also say that it is harder to leave a country once you're in it than not entering in the first place, so I think Google might not have left China if that were the case. Apple happily conducts business in China and I am absolutely certain allows backdoor access to the Chinese Government. Arguably, the US getting backdoor access is almost as bad so we should already be up in arms about this, but I don't see a protest anywhere. Hope the new privacy and decentralization wave makes it very hard to spy on people.

gataca 6y ago

If you wanted to be more historically accurate it would be the reverse, with Islamic nations forcing Jews and other religious minorities to carry symbols identifying non-muslims (the yellow badge for Jews has a long history in islamic countries and predated its use by the Nazis). I guess that wouldn't apply now since most Jews have been ethnically cleansed from the Islamic world, allowing you to focus on potential future crimes of Israel. lol

sofixa 6y ago
> allowing you to focus on potential future crimes of Israel You mean active current and historical crimes of Israel, surely? Two wrongs don't make a right, and many people and countries discriminating or massacring Jews historically doesn't excuse Israel's apartheid state, crimes against humanity and international law violations.
- gataca 6y ago
  > You mean active current and historical crimes of Israel, surely? I was responding to OP's precog-like prediction of future crimes, so no. > Israel's apartheid state, crimes against humanity and international law violations. Overuse of these words/concepts has turned them into buzzwords and has steadily devalued them. Works well for virtue-signaling online though.
  - DSingularity 6y ago
    Really? Those are all just buzzwords? Do you really believe that?
DSingularity 6y ago
What you claim seems funny since so many Israeli Jews were once morrocan and remember Morocco warmly.