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Chamath and others using Elon's playbook of leveraging social media to create a brand mostly opposite of what reality is continues. Elon: I'm a genius! Also TS
by ctvo 6y ago
Chamath and others using Elon's playbook of leveraging social media to create a brand mostly opposite of what reality is continues.
Elon: I'm a genius! Also TSLA's self-driving technology is better than Waymo's
Chamath: Big Wallstreet needs to be taken down! Get off of Robinhood! Use SoFi instead! I'm taking it public via a SPAC
- runawaybottle 6y agoCome on man. They latest spacex sn1 crash happened because the motherfucker is trying to stand the rocket up vertical just before landing. The bro is way doper than any billionaire ever and deserves all the hype. Just take a moment and watch those videos and tell me your conclusion is ‘yeah, this guy is a charlatan’. Also, mainstream EV talk started with Elon. The hype is real and believe it or not, he earned it.
- kfarr 6y agoIt is possible for these things to be true at the same time: Tesla is overvalued, spacex is not, Elon started both.
- AlexandrB 6y agoIt's also important to note that Musk is not SpaceX. He leads and funds it, but it's a bunch of hard working engineers and scientists doing the work.
- karlmdavis 6y agoNeeds air quotes: “started”.
- LMYahooTFY 6y agoThese are ridiculously broad strokes. It's not at all obvious to me that the notions you're derisively referencing are 'opposite of reality'. When you respond with pure rhetoric to an op-ed it just sounds like an echo chamber.
- seltzered_ 6y agoIt seems relatively easy to find references to the what the parent author is referring to: elon: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1353564655088619520 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1353564655088619520 chamath: https://twitter.com/chamath/status/1354947541863780365 https://twitter.com/chamath/status/1354947541863780365
- LMYahooTFY 6y agoI'm not sure what you mean. How does that substantiate the parent's derisiveness...? How are Chamath/Musk so obviously wrong?
- seltzered_ 6y agoI'll admit the parent was caricaturizing these two figures. As far as whether two well-known people might be 'wrong', I say it's worth starting to find the journalists and academics who try really hard to not have a bias and tried to understand things over the years. Hold space for the perspective of the reasoned skeptics/short-sellers but also understand their own character flaws.
- Apocryphon 6y agoThe caricatures are likely correct at some level, since the mark of a good businessman, especially in the modern day, is ability to build hype...
- vgchh 6y agoSerious question: How is Waymo’s tech better? I know Tesla’s FSD is used by people quite successfully. Don’t know if people have experiences with Waymo’s
- kfarr 6y agoDepends on metrics you choose to evaluate. Tesla is leading on deaths occurring with FSD (many), Uber 1, Waymo 0.
- kfarr 6y agoCurious on the down votes, these are verifiable numbers and related deaths seems like a reasonable metric.
- fallingknife 6y agoProbably because you ignored the fact that Tesla is the first to deploy, so obviously there have been more crashes. but on a per mile basis maybe not. It's such an oversight that it comes off as dishonest.
- kfarr 6y agoI can see your point and it makes sense. Counterpoint, if I had answered "depends on the metrics you choose but Tesla was first to market" or "depends on the metrics you choose but Tesla has the greatest miles driven" do you think the reaction would be the same?
- esyir 6y agoNot op, but people here don't generally take to clearly misleading data that was presented that way to make a point. The population here is probably sufficiently enriched for data peeps. And I mean this in the least hostile way, though my choice of language above may sound sarcastic.
- loceng 6y ago
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