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To anyone complaining, just check on USB to see how bad you can go. This is even worse than MS Xbox We had USB 3.0 at 5 Gbits. Then it was renamed to: - USB

To anyone complaining, just check on USB to see how bad you can go. This is even worse than MS Xbox We had USB 3.0 at 5 Gbits. Then it was renamed to: - USB 3.1 Gen 1 - 5 Gbits - USB 3.1 Gen 2 - 10 Gbits Then it was renamed again (RENAMED AGAIN) to: - USB 3.2 Gen 1 - 5 Gbits - USB 3.2 Gen 2 - 10 Gbits - USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 - 10 Gbits To make it even more confusing, they decided to create special marketing labels: SuperSpeedUSB SuperSpeedUSB 10 Gbps SuperSpeedUSB 20 Gbps Also there is a thunderbolt somewhere there and USB 4 is coming. Maybe they will call it SuperSpeedUSB 2 Gen 2 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

zokier 6y ago
The USB-IF standardized names (low speed, full speed, high speed, super speed) aren't that bad, the biggest problem is that they are not used nearly enough or consistently. Instead people use those those non-standard and ambiguous USB X.Y Gen Z labels, which is something USB-IF iirc explicitly recommends not to do.
- Dylan16807 6y ago
  Don't forget about "superspeed+". Which I thought they got rid of but Wikipedia says it still shows up some of the time, and it doesn't even mean a specific speed any more!
  - zokier 6y ago
    Straight from the horse's mouth: > NOTE: SuperSpeed Plus, Enhanced SuperSpeed and SuperSpeed+ are defined in the USB specifications however these terms are not intended to be used in product names, messaging, packaging or any other consumer-facing content https://www.usb.org/sites/default/files/usb_3_2_language_product_and_packaging_guidelines_final.pdf https://www.usb.org/sites/default/files/usb_3_2_language_pro... same text also appears on USB 3.1 guidelines, so that hasn't changed. Also regarding SuperSpeed speed ratings, the recommendation is pretty unambiguous: > To avoid consumer confusion, USB-IF’s recommended nomenclature for consumers is “SuperSpeed USB” for 5Gbps products, “SuperSpeed USB 10Gbps” for 10Gbps productsand “SuperSpeed USB 20Gbps” for 20Gbps products
    - Dylan16807 6y ago
      Why were those terms created and disseminated at all? "SuperSpeed Plus", "Enhanced SuperSpeed", and "SuperSpeed+" have no reason to exist outside of a marketing context.
- fredoralive 6y ago
  The trouble is, the USB group should have got the memo 15 years when no one used whatever USB 2 was supposed to be called (high speed?), and instead just called it USB2. They should just formularise the three steps of USB 3 as 3/3.1/3.2, which is pretty clear. Of course the USB group gave us USB C, so we’re probably doomed.
- molszanski 6y ago
  Oh!! So there are even more names? Which is "full speed" and which is "super speed"?
iMerNibor 6y ago
It should really just have been 3.0 for 5gbit/s, 3.1 for 10gbit/s and 3.2 for 20gbit/s - nothing hard to understand, same deal as usb 1 and 2 beforehand
- ihsw 6y ago
  The idea is to be intentionally confusing so that consumers buy crappy cables instead of seeing "USB 3.0? Old news, don't buy."
- apple4ever 6y ago
  That's how I still refer to them in my head. I'm still baffled why they didn't do that.
Dylan16807 6y ago
> USB 4 You mean USB4. Also it will copy and paste the Gen names, except this time the USB4 versions won't be the same as the USB 3.x versions.
- molszanski 6y ago
  Thank you for your correction! I will follow the USB4 naming saga with utmost attention!
45ure 6y ago
It seems that naming conventions are generally an exercise in afterthought, coupled with a marketing campaign, which is supposedly expected to adhere to the underlying technical specifications. There are ample examples, where they seem to be deliberately tacked on, and named in a such a way, as to cause maximum confusion, and get progressively worse. USB-IF elevated the haphazard standards, naming schemes and version numbers, beyond just mere confusion, annoyance or a nuisance; it even managed to blind side the Pi 4 design team for the first version. Nonetheless, it has provided the unscrupulous an opportunity to exploit the marketplace, where tolerances in power make it extremely important to pick the right cables and adapters. They are not alone ─ SD Card Association have also sowed doubts in the minds of consumers, by splintering the naming convention. Although, HDMI is also playing a similar game, albeit it is slightly easier to follow. However, WiFi Alliance is making some efforts to help decipher basic capabilities of a device by a layperson via their certification. Then there is 3GPP.. https://www.sdcard.org/developers/sd-standard-overview/ https://www.sdcard.org/developers/sd-standard-overview/ https://www.wi-fi.org/discover-wi-fi https://www.wi-fi.org/discover-wi-fi https://hdmi.org/spec/hdmi2_1 https://hdmi.org/spec/hdmi2_1 https://www.usb.org/developers https://www.usb.org/developers

zokier 6y ago

The USB-IF standardized names (low speed, full speed, high speed, super speed) aren't that bad, the biggest problem is that they are not used nearly enough or consistently. Instead people use those those non-standard and ambiguous USB X.Y Gen Z labels, which is something USB-IF iirc explicitly recommends not to do.

Dylan16807 6y ago
Don't forget about "superspeed+". Which I thought they got rid of but Wikipedia says it still shows up some of the time, and it doesn't even mean a specific speed any more!
- zokier 6y ago
  Straight from the horse's mouth: > NOTE: SuperSpeed Plus, Enhanced SuperSpeed and SuperSpeed+ are defined in the USB specifications however these terms are not intended to be used in product names, messaging, packaging or any other consumer-facing content https://www.usb.org/sites/default/files/usb_3_2_language_product_and_packaging_guidelines_final.pdf https://www.usb.org/sites/default/files/usb_3_2_language_pro... same text also appears on USB 3.1 guidelines, so that hasn't changed. Also regarding SuperSpeed speed ratings, the recommendation is pretty unambiguous: > To avoid consumer confusion, USB-IF’s recommended nomenclature for consumers is “SuperSpeed USB” for 5Gbps products, “SuperSpeed USB 10Gbps” for 10Gbps productsand “SuperSpeed USB 20Gbps” for 20Gbps products
  - Dylan16807 6y ago
    Why were those terms created and disseminated at all? "SuperSpeed Plus", "Enhanced SuperSpeed", and "SuperSpeed+" have no reason to exist outside of a marketing context.
fredoralive 6y ago
The trouble is, the USB group should have got the memo 15 years when no one used whatever USB 2 was supposed to be called (high speed?), and instead just called it USB2. They should just formularise the three steps of USB 3 as 3/3.1/3.2, which is pretty clear. Of course the USB group gave us USB C, so we’re probably doomed.
molszanski 6y ago
Oh!! So there are even more names? Which is "full speed" and which is "super speed"?

iMerNibor 6y ago

It should really just have been 3.0 for 5gbit/s, 3.1 for 10gbit/s and 3.2 for 20gbit/s - nothing hard to understand, same deal as usb 1 and 2 beforehand

ihsw 6y ago
The idea is to be intentionally confusing so that consumers buy crappy cables instead of seeing "USB 3.0? Old news, don't buy."
apple4ever 6y ago
That's how I still refer to them in my head. I'm still baffled why they didn't do that.

Dylan16807 6y ago

> USB 4 You mean USB4. Also it will copy and paste the Gen names, except this time the USB4 versions won't be the same as the USB 3.x versions.

molszanski 6y ago
Thank you for your correction! I will follow the USB4 naming saga with utmost attention!

45ure 6y ago

It seems that naming conventions are generally an exercise in afterthought, coupled with a marketing campaign, which is supposedly expected to adhere to the underlying technical specifications. There are ample examples, where they seem to be deliberately tacked on, and named in a such a way, as to cause maximum confusion, and get progressively worse. USB-IF elevated the haphazard standards, naming schemes and version numbers, beyond just mere confusion, annoyance or a nuisance; it even managed to blind side the Pi 4 design team for the first version. Nonetheless, it has provided the unscrupulous an opportunity to exploit the marketplace, where tolerances in power make it extremely important to pick the right cables and adapters. They are not alone ─ SD Card Association have also sowed doubts in the minds of consumers, by splintering the naming convention. Although, HDMI is also playing a similar game, albeit it is slightly easier to follow. However, WiFi Alliance is making some efforts to help decipher basic capabilities of a device by a layperson via their certification. Then there is 3GPP.. https://www.sdcard.org/developers/sd-standard-overview/ https://www.sdcard.org/developers/sd-standard-overview/ https://www.wi-fi.org/discover-wi-fi https://www.wi-fi.org/discover-wi-fi https://hdmi.org/spec/hdmi2_1 https://hdmi.org/spec/hdmi2_1 https://www.usb.org/developers https://www.usb.org/developers