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It's quite easy to achieve: have women to be manly for. One child policy ruined the life of hundreds of millions of men.

lmz 6y ago
Ah, but if you convince them that the women are in other countries they might be more inclined to join the army.
- fakedang 6y ago
  Or the labour export. Iirc, it was a thing in Pakistan a few years back that the Pakistani govt had to clamp down on because it led to domestic abuse and abandonment in many cases.
TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
Average testosterone levels have been dropping significantly all around the world, so this policy likely wouldn't be the cause of the feminization of men.
- bitlevel 6y ago
  Too much Oestrogen in the water supplies perhaps? https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101208125813.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101208125813.h...
  - fakedang 6y ago
    That paper reminds me of Connections by James Burke. High incomes leads to better spending on food leading to more cattle production leading to more soy use and more dairy consumption, which leads to more intake of oestrogen in water, leading to lower testosterone counts in consumers, leading to lower fertility rates.
  - amelius 6y ago
    That would only lead to higher oestrogen levels, I suppose.
  - deleted 6y ago
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gambiting 6y ago
Wait, I thought that was already the effect, no? With men outnumbering women by a good margin, surely men would try to "out-man" each other to find a mate?
- tartoran 6y ago
  Financial situation has more weight than how manly a man is.
  - Grustaf 6y ago
    Surely financial success is considered manly, at least in China.
- anvandare 6y ago
  You can't really out-man other men like we used to in the old days anymore. (i.e. raid another village, kill the men, take the women) Nowadays we do things more civilized by posing on social media with gym bods and expensive cars and other displays of sexual fitness. Trying to lure a mate instead of taking one. Unfortunately, the numbers are what they are: a ~30 million gender imbalance. So however you turn it there's going to be 30 million men without a wife/family no matter what they do. Not a good thing if you want society to remain peaceful. So they either import more women (via force or promise of a better living standard), or they get rid of the excess men (via war), or they suppress them with heavy policing and entertainment doping until the gender imbalance fades out over the next generation or so.
- michaelt 6y ago
  Well, these things can go either way. Almost by definition, a manly activity is one where you won't meet many women.
- xiphias2 6y ago
  When there are so many men that they know that they will never have a girlfriend or wife in their lives, they stop competing....why go to the gym at that point?
throwaway6299 6y ago
> One child policy ruined the life of hundreds of millions of men You’ve got the wrong gender.
- xiphias2 6y ago
  I'm sorry, you are right :( Killed lots of girl embrios and babies and ruined life of men :(

lmz 6y ago

Ah, but if you convince them that the women are in other countries they might be more inclined to join the army.

fakedang 6y ago
Or the labour export. Iirc, it was a thing in Pakistan a few years back that the Pakistani govt had to clamp down on because it led to domestic abuse and abandonment in many cases.

TheAdamAndChe 6y ago

Average testosterone levels have been dropping significantly all around the world, so this policy likely wouldn't be the cause of the feminization of men.

bitlevel 6y ago
Too much Oestrogen in the water supplies perhaps? https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101208125813.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101208125813.h...
- fakedang 6y ago
  That paper reminds me of Connections by James Burke. High incomes leads to better spending on food leading to more cattle production leading to more soy use and more dairy consumption, which leads to more intake of oestrogen in water, leading to lower testosterone counts in consumers, leading to lower fertility rates.
- amelius 6y ago
  That would only lead to higher oestrogen levels, I suppose.
- deleted 6y ago
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gambiting 6y ago

Wait, I thought that was already the effect, no? With men outnumbering women by a good margin, surely men would try to "out-man" each other to find a mate?

tartoran 6y ago
Financial situation has more weight than how manly a man is.
- Grustaf 6y ago
  Surely financial success is considered manly, at least in China.
anvandare 6y ago
You can't really out-man other men like we used to in the old days anymore. (i.e. raid another village, kill the men, take the women) Nowadays we do things more civilized by posing on social media with gym bods and expensive cars and other displays of sexual fitness. Trying to lure a mate instead of taking one. Unfortunately, the numbers are what they are: a ~30 million gender imbalance. So however you turn it there's going to be 30 million men without a wife/family no matter what they do. Not a good thing if you want society to remain peaceful. So they either import more women (via force or promise of a better living standard), or they get rid of the excess men (via war), or they suppress them with heavy policing and entertainment doping until the gender imbalance fades out over the next generation or so.
michaelt 6y ago
Well, these things can go either way. Almost by definition, a manly activity is one where you won't meet many women.
xiphias2 6y ago
When there are so many men that they know that they will never have a girlfriend or wife in their lives, they stop competing....why go to the gym at that point?

throwaway6299 6y ago

> One child policy ruined the life of hundreds of millions of men You’ve got the wrong gender.

xiphias2 6y ago
I'm sorry, you are right :( Killed lots of girl embrios and babies and ruined life of men :(