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Differing points of view. The UK model where you can stand in Hyde Park and speak your mind spread to speakers corners in many places. https://en.wikipedia.org
by aurizon 6y ago
Differing points of view. The UK model where you can stand in Hyde Park and speak your mind spread to speakers corners in many places. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speakers%27_Corner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speakers%27_Corner
You could speak, and it could be written down and hit the papers, where you were interviewed and reported - by an announcer/reporter.Then comes Radio - again a reporter/announcer, same with TV. In other words a chain of accountability where you could be assessed, and if deemed a criminal incitement there was accountability. Then the Internet and cellular message services, and you could become widely spread in an instant - your words beyond recall, and often anonymous. Even if they wanted to arrest you - they had no connection to you. They could kill your handle, and you could get another throwaway 100 times/day. You can get 100 lined up, with innocent handles and use each one once. We see how some countries completely shut down facebook and other internet data flow centers - harder to do in the USA, but when it gets so bad that the Capital was attacked and people killed it attracts a need to limit incitement.
It used to be a masked man could not enter a bank - in Covid times it happens a lot.
I expect there was a paralyzed board at Parler and when Matze could not make changes that the web hoster or other internet access controlling group, like AWS would accept and no acceptable other could not be found on terms that AWS would accept, and that Parler could also accept = he was toast.
We may be involved in a sea change. The events that led to the riot and the riot itself were turning points.
- dkdk8283 6y agoSpeakers corner used to be an American belief but censorship is now in fashion.
- burnte 6y agoNo, it's not. Freedom of speech never came with a freedom from consequences, nor a guarantee to a broadcast platform. You're still free to stand on the corner with a "God hates fags" sign or a "kill democrats" sign.
- kyran_adept 6y agoI am genuinely curious if do you see someone with a sign saying "Kill X" and someone just talking on the internet about undemocratic power change differently? If you see them differently, then why? The acts they are talking about are both crimes. My assumption is that: 1. Not everyone on Parler committed crimes in the physical world - eg. storm the Capitol, so that means that talking about something is not enough to make you break the law, 2. people that did commit crimes will be prosecuted and convicted on already existing laws.
- visarga 6y agoEven tolerance advocates can't support intolerance. We need diversity, but not the kind that destroys the system.
- burnte 6y agoThe paradox of tolerance. Eventually the tolerant will be overrun by the intolerant, so the tolerant need to have safeguard that protect the sciety.
- 8note 6y agoVery few to no Taliban members were involved in 9/11, but the US still invaded Afghanistan to kill as many Taliban members as possible. Americans arent very forgiving to terrorists and terrorist sympathizers, and that applies to parler members just as well as taliban members
- Veen 6y agoExcept that Bin Laden lived in Afghanistan for many years prior to the attack, and the Taliban provided material supprt to al-Qaeda, including hosting training camps, which they refused to shut post-9/11.
- dragonwriter 6y ago> the US still invaded Afghanistan to kill as many Taliban members as possible. No, it didn’t. It invaded Afghanistan because al-Qaida was based there and the Taliban was actively protecting them. > Americans arent very forgiving to terrorists and terrorist sympathizers, Very clearly true of Islamic terrorists who have targeted the US or Israel. Very much less true of other terrorists, especially racially White ones, and most especially racially White ones that aren’t Communist.
- 8note 6y agoDid america used to have the belief that all statements are required to be shown in newspapers or something? Newspapers didnt get to choose what stories to run?