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Trekkie here (more or less). I like The Orville better than Discovery. Discovery is down-right disappointing and stupid. Picard is better than Discovery, but

Trekkie here (more or less). I like The Orville better than Discovery. Discovery is down-right disappointing and stupid. Picard is better than Discovery, but still didn't live up to my expectations. You're probably right about Battlestar Galactica and The Expanse being the best hard sci-fi. It's hard to beat the episodes/stories in the earlier Star Trek shows. The Twilight Zone was able to pull off a faithful modern reboot, why can't Star Trek? (Someone else mentioned Planetes further down in the comments. That is also good hard sci-fi.)

matwood 6y ago
> The Orville It took me awhile to discover it, but what a great show. Personally, and it probably has to do with when I grew up, Star Trek TNG is my favorite sci-fi (though not necessarily 'hard' sci-fi) show.
effie 6y ago
> The Twilight Zone was able to pull off a faithful modern reboot, why can't Star Trek? It can be done by the right people, see Enterprise which had the trekky heart and was good on start (it did have increasing problems in later seasons). Trek is in wrong hands now. Some commentators say the main showrunners actually hate the previous classic Star Trek, and they are trying hard to revision it.
- cbm-vic-20 6y ago
  Which is odd, since the one of the other contemporary Trek shows, Lower Decks, is a love-letter to 90s-era Trek.
  - effie 6y ago
    That is a surprising characterization. I could not watch Lower Decks, it was stupid.
    - meowster 6y ago
      I like Lower Decks. Yes, it's a bit stupid, but it's funny, and still has good stories and references.
- dreamcompiler 6y ago
  > Some commentators say the main showrunners actually hate the previous classic Star Trek, and they are trying hard to revision it. That's exactly what it feels like to me: Either they know nothing about the Star Trek universe or they actively hate it and want to kill it.
dreamcompiler 6y ago
Picard was disappointing to me because it was boring. It had a few nice elements but fundamentally it felt like a four-episode story stretched out to fill 10 (or however many it was).

matwood 6y ago

> The Orville It took me awhile to discover it, but what a great show. Personally, and it probably has to do with when I grew up, Star Trek TNG is my favorite sci-fi (though not necessarily 'hard' sci-fi) show.

effie 6y ago

> The Twilight Zone was able to pull off a faithful modern reboot, why can't Star Trek? It can be done by the right people, see Enterprise which had the trekky heart and was good on start (it did have increasing problems in later seasons). Trek is in wrong hands now. Some commentators say the main showrunners actually hate the previous classic Star Trek, and they are trying hard to revision it.

cbm-vic-20 6y ago
Which is odd, since the one of the other contemporary Trek shows, Lower Decks, is a love-letter to 90s-era Trek.
- effie 6y ago
  That is a surprising characterization. I could not watch Lower Decks, it was stupid.
  - meowster 6y ago
    I like Lower Decks. Yes, it's a bit stupid, but it's funny, and still has good stories and references.
dreamcompiler 6y ago
> Some commentators say the main showrunners actually hate the previous classic Star Trek, and they are trying hard to revision it. That's exactly what it feels like to me: Either they know nothing about the Star Trek universe or they actively hate it and want to kill it.

dreamcompiler 6y ago

Picard was disappointing to me because it was boring. It had a few nice elements but fundamentally it felt like a four-episode story stretched out to fill 10 (or however many it was).