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I guess that means many coastal resorts will be empty soon and property prices in those coastal resort areas will be plummeting. Wonder when banks will stop gr

by wsc981 6y ago

I guess that means many coastal resorts will be empty soon and property prices in those coastal resort areas will be plummeting. Wonder when banks will stop granting mortgages for coastal properties.

keiferski 6y ago
Or an increase in underwater and diving tourism. I imagine if Venice went completely underwater, the amount of tourism dollars actually might increase.
- pgsandstrom 6y ago
  Venice has almost 30 million visitors per year. There is no way 30 million people would go there for diving.
  - keiferski 6y ago
    > tourism dollars I said dollars, not people.
- samus 6y ago
  Venice should evaluate whether moving the historic parts of the city is cheaper than shoring up its sea walls.
- njb311 6y ago
  Of course there is often opportunity coming out of catastrophe, though I doubt the displaced people would see it quite like that. In reality, sea level rise (barring any sudden shifts caused by ice shelves collapsing into the sea) is a slow process. Places will become uninhabitable in stages, first of all not because they are under water all the time but because the frequency of flooding is not economically sustainable. For some coastal populations that does not require a lot of rise from where we are today. Then you may have only 10s of cm of permanent water building up over decades and centuries. It’s a protracted process of inundation and it would be many generations before The Lost City of Venezia might be a tourist attraction, with an interim period where it is just a mess.
- VestingThrowawy 6y ago
  Were you dropped on your head as a baby? This might be the only explanation you'd think that.
csa 6y ago
I assume that this is some sort of commentary reflecting that you don’t think that global warming is an issue. If not, my apologies. If so, rising oceans create the following real problems that we are seeing now around the world: - contaminate fresh water aquifers (see Florida now). - flood wetlands (again, see Florida now). - contaminate agricultural soil with salt water (see Maryland now; https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-water-farming-feature-idUSKBN1WA0XQ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-water-farming-feature...). - increase erosion, especially during storm surges (see NC now; https://climate.nasa.gov/blog/2974/cant-see-sea-level-rise-youre-looking-in-the-wrong-place/ https://climate.nasa.gov/blog/2974/cant-see-sea-level-rise-y...). - flood low-lying areas during storms (see New Orleans, parts of the Netherlands, and Maldives now). - due to the above, lost habits for various flora and fauna. I am certain that seeing former beach resorts permanently underwater would probably be one of the most tangible ways to get people to believe in global warming, but Mother Nature is a bit more subtle than that while still being incredibly destructive.
- DoingIsLearning 6y ago
  > - flood low-lying areas during storms (see New Orleans, parts of the Netherlands, and Maldives now). I fully agree with your concerns regarding climate but specifically in the Netherlands the flooding of designated flood areas is actually by design, with well in advance warnings, these areas are pretty much designed to be escape valves. The Rijkswaterstaat even goes as far as monitoring upstream river flows from neighbouring countries to predict increased downstream river flow due to storms or alpine glaciar melts.
  - DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
    > The Rijkswaterstaat even goes as far as ... the Netherlands are already below sea level today - they had to think about building defenses since at least the Iron age[1]. So I guess they have somewhat a head-start. It should be in their "DNA" by now, some kind of "collective cognitive muscle memory" (still for such a tiny country and floods being a real threat already since always even they have many climate change deniers). For small countries zoning solutions can be applied everywhere equally (from both an engineering and administrative view). But Dutch dikes lend themselves poorly for comparisons against places that occupy the land of half a continent ranging from the arctic to the tropics and 6 time zones. I'm not saying it isn't a useful model in select regions/countries. but considering how poorly managed public safety is in the US today[2] it sadly takes more than ideas to prevent major loss of life. From [2]: "> You may wish to pretend that rising seas are a hoax perpetrated by scientists and a gullible news media. Or you can build barriers galore. But in the end, neither will provide adequate defense, the Dutch say." "> And what holds true for managing climate change applies to the social fabric, too. Environmental and social resilience should go hand in hand, officials here believe, improving neighborhoods, spreading equity and taming water during catastrophes." Millions will either be displaced or dead until the threat might be acknowledged. Even them I'm pessimistic considering folk on the ICU literally die of covid and still clam it is a hoax. I think the way people cope will be simply by tuning out the horror reports the same way we do today simply because the effects/damage will be distributed unevenly. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/15/world/europe/climate-change-rotterdam.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/15/world/europe/... [1] http://dutchdikes.net/history/ http://dutchdikes.net/history/ [2] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/07/20/the-really-big-one https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/07/20/the-really-big...

by wsc981 6y ago

I guess that means many coastal resorts will be empty soon and property prices in those coastal resort areas will be plummeting. Wonder when banks will stop granting mortgages for coastal properties.

keiferski 6y ago

Or an increase in underwater and diving tourism. I imagine if Venice went completely underwater, the amount of tourism dollars actually might increase.

pgsandstrom 6y ago
Venice has almost 30 million visitors per year. There is no way 30 million people would go there for diving.
- keiferski 6y ago
  > tourism dollars I said dollars, not people.
samus 6y ago
Venice should evaluate whether moving the historic parts of the city is cheaper than shoring up its sea walls.
njb311 6y ago
Of course there is often opportunity coming out of catastrophe, though I doubt the displaced people would see it quite like that. In reality, sea level rise (barring any sudden shifts caused by ice shelves collapsing into the sea) is a slow process. Places will become uninhabitable in stages, first of all not because they are under water all the time but because the frequency of flooding is not economically sustainable. For some coastal populations that does not require a lot of rise from where we are today. Then you may have only 10s of cm of permanent water building up over decades and centuries. It’s a protracted process of inundation and it would be many generations before The Lost City of Venezia might be a tourist attraction, with an interim period where it is just a mess.
VestingThrowawy 6y ago
Were you dropped on your head as a baby? This might be the only explanation you'd think that.

csa 6y ago

I assume that this is some sort of commentary reflecting that you don’t think that global warming is an issue. If not, my apologies. If so, rising oceans create the following real problems that we are seeing now around the world: - contaminate fresh water aquifers (see Florida now). - flood wetlands (again, see Florida now). - contaminate agricultural soil with salt water (see Maryland now; https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-water-farming-feature-idUSKBN1WA0XQ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-water-farming-feature...). - increase erosion, especially during storm surges (see NC now; https://climate.nasa.gov/blog/2974/cant-see-sea-level-rise-youre-looking-in-the-wrong-place/ https://climate.nasa.gov/blog/2974/cant-see-sea-level-rise-y...). - flood low-lying areas during storms (see New Orleans, parts of the Netherlands, and Maldives now). - due to the above, lost habits for various flora and fauna. I am certain that seeing former beach resorts permanently underwater would probably be one of the most tangible ways to get people to believe in global warming, but Mother Nature is a bit more subtle than that while still being incredibly destructive.

DoingIsLearning 6y ago
> - flood low-lying areas during storms (see New Orleans, parts of the Netherlands, and Maldives now). I fully agree with your concerns regarding climate but specifically in the Netherlands the flooding of designated flood areas is actually by design, with well in advance warnings, these areas are pretty much designed to be escape valves. The Rijkswaterstaat even goes as far as monitoring upstream river flows from neighbouring countries to predict increased downstream river flow due to storms or alpine glaciar melts.
- DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
  > The Rijkswaterstaat even goes as far as ... the Netherlands are already below sea level today - they had to think about building defenses since at least the Iron age[1]. So I guess they have somewhat a head-start. It should be in their "DNA" by now, some kind of "collective cognitive muscle memory" (still for such a tiny country and floods being a real threat already since always even they have many climate change deniers). For small countries zoning solutions can be applied everywhere equally (from both an engineering and administrative view). But Dutch dikes lend themselves poorly for comparisons against places that occupy the land of half a continent ranging from the arctic to the tropics and 6 time zones. I'm not saying it isn't a useful model in select regions/countries. but considering how poorly managed public safety is in the US today[2] it sadly takes more than ideas to prevent major loss of life. From [2]: "> You may wish to pretend that rising seas are a hoax perpetrated by scientists and a gullible news media. Or you can build barriers galore. But in the end, neither will provide adequate defense, the Dutch say." "> And what holds true for managing climate change applies to the social fabric, too. Environmental and social resilience should go hand in hand, officials here believe, improving neighborhoods, spreading equity and taming water during catastrophes." Millions will either be displaced or dead until the threat might be acknowledged. Even them I'm pessimistic considering folk on the ICU literally die of covid and still clam it is a hoax. I think the way people cope will be simply by tuning out the horror reports the same way we do today simply because the effects/damage will be distributed unevenly. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/15/world/europe/climate-change-rotterdam.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/15/world/europe/... [1] http://dutchdikes.net/history/ http://dutchdikes.net/history/ [2] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/07/20/the-really-big-one https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/07/20/the-really-big...