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And here is the video from 1999 [1] showing his obsession with customer which is why customer support is in the DNA of Amazon 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?

And here is the video from 1999 [1] showing his obsession with customer which is why customer support is in the DNA of Amazon 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxwjzVW7z5o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxwjzVW7z5o

afavour 6y ago
I'd argue that the customer experience of Amazon has declined dramatically in the last few years. Maybe there should be more internal viewings of that video.
- ValentineC 6y ago
  I agree. Amazon's upper management should really do a mystery shopping exercise themselves to see how dysfunctional their (both Amazon.com's and AWS's) support has become.
- Scoundreller 6y ago
  Might be hard to change anything when you have a core metric that looks like this: https://www.google.ca/search?q=amazon&tbm=fin https://www.google.ca/search?q=amazon&tbm=fin
  - judge2020 6y ago
    Link is broken.
    - pseudalopex 6y ago
      It's supposed to be the stock chart.
      - judge2020 6y ago
        looks like https://www.google.com/finance/quote/AMZN:NASDAQ https://www.google.com/finance/quote/AMZN:NASDAQ works for me, based in the US.
- codeulike 6y ago
  Practically have to do backflips to avoid accidentally signing up to Amazon Prime. Dark patterns deployed front and centre.
  - laurent92 6y ago
    I contacted support twice in 2 years for Prime subscription I didn’t want. Each time: “Are you sure you didn— Yes I’m sure, I knew intended to avoid it, so it’s clearly not me.” Both times they correctly cancelled it.
    - jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
      The system is mostly designed to prey upon inattentive seniors with disposable incomes.
      - codeulike 6y ago
        If Prime is any good it should be sold on its own merits, tricking people into signing up is despicable
    - billti 6y ago
      Anecdote for what it’s worth: I’ve been a heavy customer for many years. While I bemoan the rampant knock off products and fraudulent reviews, by shopping carefully I’ve actually never had a bad product delivered, and the very few times I’ve needed to call support, they’ve been super responsive and remedied the issue quickly. (Mostly refunds for digital content purchased incorrectly). They may not be perfect, but that have that “Macdonalds” aspect now; you know what you’re getting and it’s consistently pretty good. Which is often more reassuring than trying something new.
      - codeulike 6y ago
        I used to trust them, in the last few years the dark patterns have been deployed with gradually increasing intensity and it leaves a bad taste
- hinkley 6y ago
  A/B testing is awesome for first order problems with your web site design. By the time you’re down to third order problems it’s reductive and cynical. Immoral techniques always find support from amoral tools. Dark patterns are justified by A/B testing. And shitty people.
- tootie 6y ago
  I recall reaching out to the customer service more than once pre-2010 or so and they were incredibly responsive and helpful. I guess they just couldn't scale human interactions past a certain point.
  - billti 6y ago
    They still are. I had to contact support for some purchases I didn’t recognize a couple weeks back. I was dreading the usual “support call” experience, but they were super friendly and within 5 mins I was refunded and they deactivated an old device from my account for safety.
- Corrado 6y ago
  I don't know, I just returned a faulty smart light bulb and the process was beyond easy. Just select it from my previous orders, submit a request to return it, and choose how to send it back. Pretty easy. As a "bonus" I was able to send it back through a Kohl's store so my wife got a 25% off coupon that she used to purchase some masks and socks (and stuff). Yes, I know, they got us to purchase more stuff, but she really likes shopping there and it was a "we're going there anyway" kind of thing. Plus I didn't have to box up the return or print a label or anything. Just show the clerk the QRCode and hand them the bare light bulb.
  - ImaCake 6y ago
    My anecdata counterfactual to this is that I recieved an empty package and couldn't even figure out how to make a complaint to Amazon let alone return it. It was a cheap item so maybe they care more if it passes some threshold value?
    - brazzledazzle 6y ago
      I had the same issue. I had to use the chat option. It took a little bit but wasn’t too long and they gave me a refund without requiring I send back an empty package. I would have eaten the cost (<$12) if I hadn’t been able to work it out though. Wasn’t worth getting flagged as a potential scammer.
    - Cro_on 6y ago
      My $2 book purchase anecdata from last summer runs counterfactual to yours. The product never arrived and within 48hours of complaint the cash had been returned.
- mvanbaak 6y ago
  I had bought a product on amazon.de, it arrived with some cosmetic damage (product worked, little scratch). To be honest, it was one of the best customer support experiences I had seen. Select order, select product, click button 'problem', describe what the problem was, get return info, DHL picked up the next day, two days later I had a replacement product.
- smhg 6y ago
  Anecdotally, I disagree. I recently contacted their support when I didn't understand why final ordering prices slightly differed from the listings on Amazon EU websites. The reply was very on-topic, ridiculously customized and clear for an otherwise complicated topic (reason: VAT is calculated on the shipping location within EU). Almost as if someone with real EU accounting knowledge had taken the time to investigate and reply (which I can't imagine?). And this was from a non-business account. It was easily one of the top-3 customer service experiences I ever had.
  - afavour 6y ago
    I don't deny that Amazon are capable of good customer service. But the site is full of fake products and fake reviews. Returning a product is a breeze but I'd really rather not have to be returning them in the first place. And Amazon knows about the problems. A few times I've reported receiving an offer for a gift voucher in return for a positive review of an item I bought and they've taken zero action on it.
- mlindner 6y ago
  I disagree. Amazon has many times refunded my order in full with a simple call, and for orders internationally they do it entirely faith-based and will send you another version without having to even return the original.
  - kypro 6y ago
    They're great for this. I once ordered the wrong tablet which was totally my mistake and I even ended up unboxing it, but they still allowed me to return it. It's one of the main reasons I use them because I know there's no hassle if anything goes wrong with my order. Unfortunetly I know a few people who have been abusing Amazon's refund policy recently. I don't come from the best background so I know a few people who have ordered phones and other electrics from Amazon just because they know if they complain they were stolen from their doorstep they might get a free phone. From my experience working at ecomerce and insurance companies it's hard to have a relaxed returns policy when you also have to accept that the majority of the claims will be fraudulent.
  - wildfire 6y ago
    I disagree. I have had orders where they have refused to refund. When I have later, internally, escalated, they have relented and issued a refund. There is even a dedicated section (can't recall if on inside.amazon.com or the wiki ) to explain the process of how to internally escalate a bad customer support experience on behalf of your friends and family. If Amazon (retail) is as customer focused as they claim to be this should not be necessary. I've been a customer since 2000 and an employee for a while now. Disclaimer: I hear in the US it is totally different and support is a lot better.
- telltruth 6y ago
  "declined" is a major understatement. Too many practices at Amazon is now decisively anti-customer: - Fake reviews have been happening for years but almost no progress from Amazon - Huge number of fake products and/or misleading specs - Sponsored products trumps organic results every time - Sellers use whatever brand they wish instead of their real names giving appearance that they are "official" vendors of that brand
  - ChrisIsTaken 6y ago
    I stopped buying much there around ~2010. The sheer amount of Chinese counterfeit garbage and lack of proper categorization makes it impossible to browse the site. The clothing category in particular is just 100,000 dumpsters full of unlabeled trash heaped into a pile. If you didn't discover a product name somewhere else, you won't find it on Amazon. Amazon doesn't do merchandising for shit.
- ekianjo 6y ago
  oh yeah? have you ever returned products on other online stores?
- BrandoElFollito 6y ago
  One of the main reasons I use Amazon in France is their service. I never ever had any issues, our biggest fight was about the 2€ they charged me once to send back a 100€ item. They gave up after the 2nd email. I will pay 10% more for the Amazon price, for the peace of mind.
ciupicri 6y ago
Amazon's customer support is mediocre at best. I tried to buy something from them and the card transaction failed because I had some protections in place. Instead of them trying again, they asked for all kinds of documents to prove the ownership. I sent them a receipt from a local store, but it wasn't good enough for them. I guess they don't want my money :-)
- jdmichal 6y ago
  I would never take a receipt as proof of card ownership. If I were to find a wallet, what's the chance that there's a random receipt stuffed in there along with the card?
  - ciupicri 6y ago
    The receipt wasn't old. It was for shopping done after they asked me for proof.
victor106 6y ago
That video is pure gold. Lots of lessons you can use even today for any business.
ACow_Adonis 6y ago
Do people do any analysis anymore or do they just repeat memes? i.e. "we put the customer first". For reference, I'm someone who hadn't used amazon (i'm in Australia, and I've just had no need). These holidays was my first real experience with the amazon brand and the amazon website. What I saw was an incredibly user hostile site: reviews mashed together from all over the world, and you can't even be sure whether they're reviewing the right product or the seller. Search that doesn't work and you're never really sure what you're getting and from whom. I was searching for keyboard trays and it quickly became apparent various products were all the same but just re-labelled cheap chinese output. When I went to check out, i had at least 3 dark patterns encountered where Amazon was directly trying to screw me: trying to trick me to sign up for prime, promising free shipping on the click but then default you out of it when you check out until you go searching for it, and continually spamming me with offers for whatever their streaming service is. They weren't "customer first", they were actively customer hostile. I don't understand how this keeps getting repeated, unless their tech side is completely different from their consumer side...
- dingaling 6y ago
  > and you can't even be sure whether they're reviewing the right product or the seller I distinctly remember the point when I lost trust in Amazon, after being a customer since 1997. There were reviews for two books on the same topic, but different authors, mixed together under one title. I emailed Amazon to point this out and... they did nothing. Nowadays the review section is a dark pattern itself, you have to keep your wits about you. What used to be a great public resource in the Internet has been lost.
- astrange 6y ago
  The customer friendliness is 1. free fast shipping 2. they will cancel and refund things 3. if you make multiple orders they'll combine them 4. the website loads really fast. Competitors have gotten better at many of these, but it's still hard to impossible to cancel orders many other places, and if I have to chat to Amazon they still refund and replace things very easily. I have used amazon.com.au and noticed the selection is pretty bad there. amazon.jp is great though, and worldwide shipping is amazingly fast. The customer service is even more important there because Japanese companies hate cancelling things or special requests (omotenashi/"Japanese customer service" means you do what they tell you, not the other way round.)
FpUser 6y ago
I think Amazon's search quality going down the drain lately. Too much's been taken by promotions.
- astrange 6y ago
  Amazon's search and recommendations were never any good, though. You've always had to search a page or three, and buying a TV recommends you more TVs.
swalsh 6y ago
The last experience I had with Amazon customer service was so bad I decided to stop using them as much as is physically possible. If your situation does not fit in a simple bucket, they will force it into one even if its bad for them and you at the same time.
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afavour 6y ago

I'd argue that the customer experience of Amazon has declined dramatically in the last few years. Maybe there should be more internal viewings of that video.

ValentineC 6y ago
I agree. Amazon's upper management should really do a mystery shopping exercise themselves to see how dysfunctional their (both Amazon.com's and AWS's) support has become.
Scoundreller 6y ago
Might be hard to change anything when you have a core metric that looks like this: https://www.google.ca/search?q=amazon&tbm=fin https://www.google.ca/search?q=amazon&tbm=fin
- judge2020 6y ago
  Link is broken.
  - pseudalopex 6y ago
    It's supposed to be the stock chart.
    - judge2020 6y ago
      looks like https://www.google.com/finance/quote/AMZN:NASDAQ https://www.google.com/finance/quote/AMZN:NASDAQ works for me, based in the US.
codeulike 6y ago
Practically have to do backflips to avoid accidentally signing up to Amazon Prime. Dark patterns deployed front and centre.
- laurent92 6y ago
  I contacted support twice in 2 years for Prime subscription I didn’t want. Each time: “Are you sure you didn— Yes I’m sure, I knew intended to avoid it, so it’s clearly not me.” Both times they correctly cancelled it.
  - jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
    The system is mostly designed to prey upon inattentive seniors with disposable incomes.
    - codeulike 6y ago
      If Prime is any good it should be sold on its own merits, tricking people into signing up is despicable
  - billti 6y ago
    Anecdote for what it’s worth: I’ve been a heavy customer for many years. While I bemoan the rampant knock off products and fraudulent reviews, by shopping carefully I’ve actually never had a bad product delivered, and the very few times I’ve needed to call support, they’ve been super responsive and remedied the issue quickly. (Mostly refunds for digital content purchased incorrectly). They may not be perfect, but that have that “Macdonalds” aspect now; you know what you’re getting and it’s consistently pretty good. Which is often more reassuring than trying something new.
    - codeulike 6y ago
      I used to trust them, in the last few years the dark patterns have been deployed with gradually increasing intensity and it leaves a bad taste
hinkley 6y ago
A/B testing is awesome for first order problems with your web site design. By the time you’re down to third order problems it’s reductive and cynical. Immoral techniques always find support from amoral tools. Dark patterns are justified by A/B testing. And shitty people.
tootie 6y ago
I recall reaching out to the customer service more than once pre-2010 or so and they were incredibly responsive and helpful. I guess they just couldn't scale human interactions past a certain point.
- billti 6y ago
  They still are. I had to contact support for some purchases I didn’t recognize a couple weeks back. I was dreading the usual “support call” experience, but they were super friendly and within 5 mins I was refunded and they deactivated an old device from my account for safety.
Corrado 6y ago
I don't know, I just returned a faulty smart light bulb and the process was beyond easy. Just select it from my previous orders, submit a request to return it, and choose how to send it back. Pretty easy. As a "bonus" I was able to send it back through a Kohl's store so my wife got a 25% off coupon that she used to purchase some masks and socks (and stuff). Yes, I know, they got us to purchase more stuff, but she really likes shopping there and it was a "we're going there anyway" kind of thing. Plus I didn't have to box up the return or print a label or anything. Just show the clerk the QRCode and hand them the bare light bulb.
- ImaCake 6y ago
  My anecdata counterfactual to this is that I recieved an empty package and couldn't even figure out how to make a complaint to Amazon let alone return it. It was a cheap item so maybe they care more if it passes some threshold value?
  - brazzledazzle 6y ago
    I had the same issue. I had to use the chat option. It took a little bit but wasn’t too long and they gave me a refund without requiring I send back an empty package. I would have eaten the cost (<$12) if I hadn’t been able to work it out though. Wasn’t worth getting flagged as a potential scammer.
  - Cro_on 6y ago
    My $2 book purchase anecdata from last summer runs counterfactual to yours. The product never arrived and within 48hours of complaint the cash had been returned.
mvanbaak 6y ago
I had bought a product on amazon.de, it arrived with some cosmetic damage (product worked, little scratch). To be honest, it was one of the best customer support experiences I had seen. Select order, select product, click button 'problem', describe what the problem was, get return info, DHL picked up the next day, two days later I had a replacement product.
smhg 6y ago
Anecdotally, I disagree. I recently contacted their support when I didn't understand why final ordering prices slightly differed from the listings on Amazon EU websites. The reply was very on-topic, ridiculously customized and clear for an otherwise complicated topic (reason: VAT is calculated on the shipping location within EU). Almost as if someone with real EU accounting knowledge had taken the time to investigate and reply (which I can't imagine?). And this was from a non-business account. It was easily one of the top-3 customer service experiences I ever had.
- afavour 6y ago
  I don't deny that Amazon are capable of good customer service. But the site is full of fake products and fake reviews. Returning a product is a breeze but I'd really rather not have to be returning them in the first place. And Amazon knows about the problems. A few times I've reported receiving an offer for a gift voucher in return for a positive review of an item I bought and they've taken zero action on it.
mlindner 6y ago
I disagree. Amazon has many times refunded my order in full with a simple call, and for orders internationally they do it entirely faith-based and will send you another version without having to even return the original.
- kypro 6y ago
  They're great for this. I once ordered the wrong tablet which was totally my mistake and I even ended up unboxing it, but they still allowed me to return it. It's one of the main reasons I use them because I know there's no hassle if anything goes wrong with my order. Unfortunetly I know a few people who have been abusing Amazon's refund policy recently. I don't come from the best background so I know a few people who have ordered phones and other electrics from Amazon just because they know if they complain they were stolen from their doorstep they might get a free phone. From my experience working at ecomerce and insurance companies it's hard to have a relaxed returns policy when you also have to accept that the majority of the claims will be fraudulent.
- wildfire 6y ago
  I disagree. I have had orders where they have refused to refund. When I have later, internally, escalated, they have relented and issued a refund. There is even a dedicated section (can't recall if on inside.amazon.com or the wiki ) to explain the process of how to internally escalate a bad customer support experience on behalf of your friends and family. If Amazon (retail) is as customer focused as they claim to be this should not be necessary. I've been a customer since 2000 and an employee for a while now. Disclaimer: I hear in the US it is totally different and support is a lot better.
telltruth 6y ago
"declined" is a major understatement. Too many practices at Amazon is now decisively anti-customer: - Fake reviews have been happening for years but almost no progress from Amazon - Huge number of fake products and/or misleading specs - Sponsored products trumps organic results every time - Sellers use whatever brand they wish instead of their real names giving appearance that they are "official" vendors of that brand
- ChrisIsTaken 6y ago
  I stopped buying much there around ~2010. The sheer amount of Chinese counterfeit garbage and lack of proper categorization makes it impossible to browse the site. The clothing category in particular is just 100,000 dumpsters full of unlabeled trash heaped into a pile. If you didn't discover a product name somewhere else, you won't find it on Amazon. Amazon doesn't do merchandising for shit.
ekianjo 6y ago
oh yeah? have you ever returned products on other online stores?
BrandoElFollito 6y ago
One of the main reasons I use Amazon in France is their service. I never ever had any issues, our biggest fight was about the 2€ they charged me once to send back a 100€ item. They gave up after the 2nd email. I will pay 10% more for the Amazon price, for the peace of mind.

ciupicri 6y ago

Amazon's customer support is mediocre at best. I tried to buy something from them and the card transaction failed because I had some protections in place. Instead of them trying again, they asked for all kinds of documents to prove the ownership. I sent them a receipt from a local store, but it wasn't good enough for them. I guess they don't want my money :-)

jdmichal 6y ago
I would never take a receipt as proof of card ownership. If I were to find a wallet, what's the chance that there's a random receipt stuffed in there along with the card?
- ciupicri 6y ago
  The receipt wasn't old. It was for shopping done after they asked me for proof.

victor106 6y ago

That video is pure gold. Lots of lessons you can use even today for any business.

ACow_Adonis 6y ago

Do people do any analysis anymore or do they just repeat memes? i.e. "we put the customer first". For reference, I'm someone who hadn't used amazon (i'm in Australia, and I've just had no need). These holidays was my first real experience with the amazon brand and the amazon website. What I saw was an incredibly user hostile site: reviews mashed together from all over the world, and you can't even be sure whether they're reviewing the right product or the seller. Search that doesn't work and you're never really sure what you're getting and from whom. I was searching for keyboard trays and it quickly became apparent various products were all the same but just re-labelled cheap chinese output. When I went to check out, i had at least 3 dark patterns encountered where Amazon was directly trying to screw me: trying to trick me to sign up for prime, promising free shipping on the click but then default you out of it when you check out until you go searching for it, and continually spamming me with offers for whatever their streaming service is. They weren't "customer first", they were actively customer hostile. I don't understand how this keeps getting repeated, unless their tech side is completely different from their consumer side...

dingaling 6y ago
> and you can't even be sure whether they're reviewing the right product or the seller I distinctly remember the point when I lost trust in Amazon, after being a customer since 1997. There were reviews for two books on the same topic, but different authors, mixed together under one title. I emailed Amazon to point this out and... they did nothing. Nowadays the review section is a dark pattern itself, you have to keep your wits about you. What used to be a great public resource in the Internet has been lost.
astrange 6y ago
The customer friendliness is 1. free fast shipping 2. they will cancel and refund things 3. if you make multiple orders they'll combine them 4. the website loads really fast. Competitors have gotten better at many of these, but it's still hard to impossible to cancel orders many other places, and if I have to chat to Amazon they still refund and replace things very easily. I have used amazon.com.au and noticed the selection is pretty bad there. amazon.jp is great though, and worldwide shipping is amazingly fast. The customer service is even more important there because Japanese companies hate cancelling things or special requests (omotenashi/"Japanese customer service" means you do what they tell you, not the other way round.)

FpUser 6y ago

I think Amazon's search quality going down the drain lately. Too much's been taken by promotions.

astrange 6y ago
Amazon's search and recommendations were never any good, though. You've always had to search a page or three, and buying a TV recommends you more TVs.

swalsh 6y ago

The last experience I had with Amazon customer service was so bad I decided to stop using them as much as is physically possible. If your situation does not fit in a simple bucket, they will force it into one even if its bad for them and you at the same time.

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