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If you are looking for low-priced servers I can highly reccomend HETZNER[0]. They are even cheaper then scaleway and I had no problems so far. [0]https://www.

If you are looking for low-priced servers I can highly reccomend HETZNER[0]. They are even cheaper then scaleway and I had no problems so far. [0]https://www.hetzner.com/cloud https://www.hetzner.com/cloud

tealpod 6y ago
I have been using Hetzner and they are good and cheaper than AWS.
dx034 6y ago
Hetzner is great for cloud but especially for dedicated instances. If you have your infrastructure as code, buying dedicated servers there is likely much cheaper and easier than using a large cloud provider and trying to scale. Only issue I have with them is that there's no way to get 10gbit/s (not even burstable) and that you don't get datacenters outside of Europe. Not affiliated with them, just a very happy customer.
- xearl 6y ago
  you can order 10g uplinks for most of hetzner's dedicated servers (for ~€45/m).
- infofarmer 6y ago
  I haven't used their 10G uplinks in years, but it seems they're still easily available at €1/TB over 20TB: https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/dedicated-server/general-information/root-server-hardware/ https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/dedicated-server/general-info...
javchz 6y ago
I will check them out, the prices doesn't seem bad at all. Will try for a small projects, and if everything goes well maybe migrate bigger ones.
drcongo 6y ago
I second this. We use Hetzner Cloud for all our staging servers and have never had an outage, and I had a client on a bare metal Hetzner server for about 12 years before the hard drive eventually gave up.
wut42 6y ago
Hetzner Cloud is nice! When I benchmarked SCW cloud and HZN cloud, Hetzner was the clear winner. SCW was a bit cheaper at the time. Now Hetzner is cheaper and faster! You just don't get as much bandwith.
dspillett 6y ago
I've got one of Hetzner's machine from the "auction" side (https://www.hetzner.com/sb https://www.hetzner.com/sb) for various things that has been running along nicely for a while. Paying a pretty keen price for 3x3T drives (unless the storage is on a RAID backed SAN I never get a single drive remote machine), 32G RAM and a fairly decent (though far from leading edge) CPU. For cheaper (and other options in the same range or more expensive too) in a large array of configurations https://www.serverhunter.com/ https://www.serverhunter.com/ and https://en.metadedi.net/ https://en.metadedi.net/ are useful resources, though obviously do a little research before signing up for a host based on it being cheap.
Damogran6 6y ago
Hetzner was one of the major sources of attack I experienced at my last job. Hackers thought they were a good value, too. (Was 5-ish years ago, not sure if that’s the same case now.)
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
  I mean... yes? Cheap servers are cheap servers no matter who's buying them or why
KronisLV 6y ago
Would have loved to use Hetzner, sadly they rejected a picture of my ID card/passport (with some details blacked out) a few years ago when i tried registering and verifying my identity, i don't think there was any process for appealing to have someone else look at it again, thus my account ended up being blocked. Of course, this is just 1 data point and i'm sure that the experience of other people is more positive in general! That said, the prices actually look pretty competetive and are indeed cheaper than Scaleway's offerings. However, Scaleway also recently came out with more cost effective instances, called Stardust (though the specifications are somewhat limited): https://blog.scaleway.com/a-star-is-born-as-scaleway-launches-stardust-the-worlds-most-cost-effective-cloud-instance/ https://blog.scaleway.com/a-star-is-born-as-scaleway-launche... Personally, i use Time4VPS for my VPSes, which is a somewhat small daughter company of a larger Lithuanian telecom (Interneto vizija). Affiliate link, if anyone is interested in having a look: https://www.time4vps.com/?affid=5294 https://www.time4vps.com/?affid=5294 I've been using them for a few years, the uptimes and the performance both are generally pretty good, can even self-host an e-mail server and the few IPv4 addresses i've had from them haven't been blacklisted anywhere. However, they don't directly compete with SaaS or PaaS like AWS's or Scaleway's managed offerings.
- chappi42 6y ago
  Why wouldn't they reject a ID/passport with some details blacked out? They have proper support lines where one can call and ask. (At least this was so a couple of years ago, no need to call support since then..).
  - KronisLV 6y ago
    > Why wouldn't they reject a ID/passport with some details blacked out? In my subjective opinion, a better question would be: Why would they reject an ID/passport with some details blacked out? The ID card and the passport both have serial numbers on them, as well as sufficient information (issuer country and the institution within the country), that any decent implementation of validating such data should be able to look it up. As for the blacked out fields - they contain information pertaining to my social identification code, one that should be kept private under most circumstances (analogous to social security number in the US). It feels like that information could: - provide absolutely no benefit to them - compromise my privacy, should it be leaked due to improper handling of that data on their end If not providing such sensitive information is grounds for denying account verification and termination of an account, then i'm perfectly fine with that and will simply look elsewhere, for other services. Other people may disagree with that and provide any and all information, the handling of which they deem acceptable, which is okay (hence, i mentioned that others' experience might be more positive/successful in that regard). Maybe someone who works in the industry (not Hetzner in particular) and has worked with similar systems in the past may comment on what the mechanisms for validating ID cards and such are, and which bits of data are necessary and which aren't?

tealpod 6y ago

I have been using Hetzner and they are good and cheaper than AWS.

dx034 6y ago

Hetzner is great for cloud but especially for dedicated instances. If you have your infrastructure as code, buying dedicated servers there is likely much cheaper and easier than using a large cloud provider and trying to scale. Only issue I have with them is that there's no way to get 10gbit/s (not even burstable) and that you don't get datacenters outside of Europe. Not affiliated with them, just a very happy customer.

xearl 6y ago
you can order 10g uplinks for most of hetzner's dedicated servers (for ~€45/m).
infofarmer 6y ago
I haven't used their 10G uplinks in years, but it seems they're still easily available at €1/TB over 20TB: https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/dedicated-server/general-information/root-server-hardware/ https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/dedicated-server/general-info...

javchz 6y ago

I will check them out, the prices doesn't seem bad at all. Will try for a small projects, and if everything goes well maybe migrate bigger ones.

drcongo 6y ago

I second this. We use Hetzner Cloud for all our staging servers and have never had an outage, and I had a client on a bare metal Hetzner server for about 12 years before the hard drive eventually gave up.

wut42 6y ago

Hetzner Cloud is nice! When I benchmarked SCW cloud and HZN cloud, Hetzner was the clear winner. SCW was a bit cheaper at the time. Now Hetzner is cheaper and faster! You just don't get as much bandwith.

dspillett 6y ago

I've got one of Hetzner's machine from the "auction" side (https://www.hetzner.com/sb https://www.hetzner.com/sb) for various things that has been running along nicely for a while. Paying a pretty keen price for 3x3T drives (unless the storage is on a RAID backed SAN I never get a single drive remote machine), 32G RAM and a fairly decent (though far from leading edge) CPU. For cheaper (and other options in the same range or more expensive too) in a large array of configurations https://www.serverhunter.com/ https://www.serverhunter.com/ and https://en.metadedi.net/ https://en.metadedi.net/ are useful resources, though obviously do a little research before signing up for a host based on it being cheap.

Damogran6 6y ago

Hetzner was one of the major sources of attack I experienced at my last job. Hackers thought they were a good value, too. (Was 5-ish years ago, not sure if that’s the same case now.)

yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
I mean... yes? Cheap servers are cheap servers no matter who's buying them or why

KronisLV 6y ago

Would have loved to use Hetzner, sadly they rejected a picture of my ID card/passport (with some details blacked out) a few years ago when i tried registering and verifying my identity, i don't think there was any process for appealing to have someone else look at it again, thus my account ended up being blocked. Of course, this is just 1 data point and i'm sure that the experience of other people is more positive in general! That said, the prices actually look pretty competetive and are indeed cheaper than Scaleway's offerings. However, Scaleway also recently came out with more cost effective instances, called Stardust (though the specifications are somewhat limited): https://blog.scaleway.com/a-star-is-born-as-scaleway-launches-stardust-the-worlds-most-cost-effective-cloud-instance/ https://blog.scaleway.com/a-star-is-born-as-scaleway-launche... Personally, i use Time4VPS for my VPSes, which is a somewhat small daughter company of a larger Lithuanian telecom (Interneto vizija). Affiliate link, if anyone is interested in having a look: https://www.time4vps.com/?affid=5294 https://www.time4vps.com/?affid=5294 I've been using them for a few years, the uptimes and the performance both are generally pretty good, can even self-host an e-mail server and the few IPv4 addresses i've had from them haven't been blacklisted anywhere. However, they don't directly compete with SaaS or PaaS like AWS's or Scaleway's managed offerings.

chappi42 6y ago
Why wouldn't they reject a ID/passport with some details blacked out? They have proper support lines where one can call and ask. (At least this was so a couple of years ago, no need to call support since then..).
- KronisLV 6y ago
  > Why wouldn't they reject a ID/passport with some details blacked out? In my subjective opinion, a better question would be: Why would they reject an ID/passport with some details blacked out? The ID card and the passport both have serial numbers on them, as well as sufficient information (issuer country and the institution within the country), that any decent implementation of validating such data should be able to look it up. As for the blacked out fields - they contain information pertaining to my social identification code, one that should be kept private under most circumstances (analogous to social security number in the US). It feels like that information could: - provide absolutely no benefit to them - compromise my privacy, should it be leaked due to improper handling of that data on their end If not providing such sensitive information is grounds for denying account verification and termination of an account, then i'm perfectly fine with that and will simply look elsewhere, for other services. Other people may disagree with that and provide any and all information, the handling of which they deem acceptable, which is okay (hence, i mentioned that others' experience might be more positive/successful in that regard). Maybe someone who works in the industry (not Hetzner in particular) and has worked with similar systems in the past may comment on what the mechanisms for validating ID cards and such are, and which bits of data are necessary and which aren't?